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We had noticed the push this week about getting or updating Hepatitis shots in the CO Book and on the AdMin fax network.
And we wrote about the Narcan coming to certain west and south side districts soon.
Someone put it together and commented that if you have to start giving Narcan spray to OD'ed junkies, you are inevitably coming into contact with a segment of the population that has a higher than average infection rate of....Hepatitis.
This might be part of Rahm's plan to save the pension - attrition by disease.
We're sensing a "lack of training" issue on the horizon. Two hours of Narcan training isn't possibly going to cover Universal Precautions protocols.
We had noticed the push this week about getting or updating Hepatitis shots in the CO Book and on the AdMin fax network.
And we wrote about the Narcan coming to certain west and south side districts soon.
Someone put it together and commented that if you have to start giving Narcan spray to OD'ed junkies, you are inevitably coming into contact with a segment of the population that has a higher than average infection rate of....Hepatitis.
This might be part of Rahm's plan to save the pension - attrition by disease.
We're sensing a "lack of training" issue on the horizon. Two hours of Narcan training isn't possibly going to cover Universal Precautions protocols.
Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
69 Comments:
We aren't paramedics. I wouldn't do it. Where's the union on this. STAY FETAL!
It's ridiculous, the police are expected to do more and more with less and less for the same money while shouldering the majority of the liability.
Don't worry, if it goes well you did your job. If it goes south you are fucked.
Where do I sign up for this job?
You can also get Hepatitis from unprotected sex
with a carrier.
Somebody explain that to the cop now working a
desk job.
Hepatitis among others.......lots of crap these folks can carry
Universal Precaution #1) Remain Fetal if it's a junkie or someone who wanted to take that drug, Mother Nature will handle it.
#2) If it's a kid or accidental exposure by a non-junkie, glove up. Put on a mask. Administer the medication. Stand back and call an Ambulance.
Re: Hepatitis B Vaccine
Patients are given an "initial antibody level test"
prior to the 3-shot series.
In other words, people who fail to respond to the
initial antibody level test should be tested to exclude
current or past Hepatitis B infection.
TRANSLATION: this is not a shoot & leave procedure.
Make sure they do the initial antibody level test to
protect yourself from false accusations that you already
had the Hep B, or had it in the past. In other words, the
Department maintains you did not get the Hep B from the
Narcan recipient.
Reference: Hepatitis B Vaccine (Merck)
Exactly. The world of government over regulation now wants us to act as paramedics. You can't buy this product over the counter, but now the police can administer it? How about the police be the police. If we can give it then why not stock up safe passage too.
The Sissy Ballerina Yuppie will try to find ANYWAY to get rid of you and Pensions at the Same time , NEVER TRUST A POLITICIAN
NARCAN is a Medical Situation Only the City Paramedics should be handling WTF , Years ago we had a same gripe when the Coroner or a Ambulance should only be picking up a Corpse and they made us carry the Corpse and use the CPD Paddy Wagons , WHERES THE UNION ON THIS SHIT , What were Paramedics Now Too , OK then Pays us double you Bastards , Of Course this has to be Coming from the Little Yuppie Ass Ballerina from the North Side trying to pull another One on everyone , Not only will you get Hepatitis A , B and C , You will get HIV/AIDS , skin infections , they also have tuberculosis , and Venereal disease's Like syphilis , Just ask AL Capone , Fuckin Yuppie he thinks everyone a Idiot but him.
Meh, another 2 hour class on how to avoid bodily fluids of our good citizenry who voted Rham-N-noodle into dictatorship
In the early 80's during the AIDS era we got sent to In Service Training for communicable diseases, we thought it was going to be the usual nonsense, but we had a great Doctor from Cook County Hospital. He told us the chances of getting AIDS was slim but the chances of getting Hepatitis was huge. Right after that the dept. started to give Hepatitis shots. Get those shots guys and the FOP should be pushing for everyone getting Hepatitis shots. ♠️
Fuck sticking your fingers around some cluckers mouth and nose. If you're not a copper I'm not rendering aid. I will call CFD and the heros can wake these hypes from their near death experience.
Refuse to do it and call an ambulance. Fuck that shit. That’s not our fucking job. This shit has TROUBLE written all over it.
Hi. 5th floor here.All I can say is trust us.
This might be part of Rahm's plan to save the pension - attrition by disease.
And it's doctor approved just ask the icky twerp Murder Mayor's brother...
It might not be liberal or "politically correct" but the truth is that it's been proven that letting the junkie die saves millions of taxpayer money. The junkies have no job or value to society and receive welfare...that they use with stolen property or money to buy more smack. If we let nature take it's course, we have no more welfare payments to them, medical bills for their treatment, pizza parties at CCJ, public defender expense for them or prosecution expense for them. Let the junkie suffer the results of THEIR OWN VOLUNTARY choice and WE BENEFIT from less wasted tax money.
The policy says you have to carry it. They cannot force you to use it or discipline you if you don't.
The ACLU is now putting forth a request for all police officers to submit DNA samples to the crime data base.
When they come out of their OD induced stupor, they are often VIOLENT.
Plan accordingly.
What is the FOP doing about this?
The unions should be filing a grievance immediately upon implementation and demanding additional pay for cross training. The fire side gets additional pay for each of their specialized skills received through training. Hazmat pay, driver pay, medic pay if not a paramedic etc. If we are cross training, it is in additional to out law enforcement t raining, and an addition workload outside the scope of our performance. (Lets ask a labor attorney, shall we?) It's time we get compensated cor developing this skill set. Remember, it's outside the scope and they will have to pay, or back off and not require it. They cant just say, you are ordered to do it.
You'll also need to carry a mini ABC fire
extinguisher in case of retro cocaine free-basing
while drinking 151 proof rum
Sorry rahm, I will NOT be administering your drugs. ‘My bad, I didn’t recognize he needed it’
Anything to save voters.
A few less junkies= more business for funeral parlors. Win-win!
Personally I think that everyone revived by Narcan should get a big tattoo on their chest.
First time, you get a D and a referral to a treatment program,
Second time, you get an N, and are held until you are checked in for treatment.
Third time, you get an R, treatment, and six months to dry out and stay dried out.
Fourth time, there is NO fourth time. The DNR on your chest is honored.
Three Strikes and you are OUT.
The media or the Department will never address the multiple doses of narcan in the same day to the same junkie. The paramedics will tell you how they get called in the morning administer narcan and the junkie waves his hospital trip. Only to be called back later in the day for the same junkie. Yea this is a good idea.
I don't know what all the fuss is all about. Just like every thing this department issues i.e.: radios, laptops, they will not have enough Narcan to go around. If we're lucky, every district will get what they need. But then, when the city doesn't pay it's bill, the distributer will stop all deliveries.
Old retiree says:
Back in the day the Ohare units would round up all the old piss-bums hanging out and sleeping and send them to 016 or 025.....
After one of the roundups, two of us who had worked desk/lockup got sick with what we thought was the flu......we were ok after about 4 days.....then three days later, we both got deathly ill again.......and I mean DEATHLY ill......my skin started turning brown, vomiting, diarrhea, and could barely crawl to the bathroom literally.....turns out we BOTH had Hepatitus A which has no cure, all you can do is eat properly and rest and hope to God your liver recovers.....was off a few weeks but never felt as good or healthy again since that disease....and btw- my family members all had to get shots of gamma globulin so THEY didn't get sick....and here's the clincher: though the ONLY interaction that the TWO of us officers ever had together was that prisoner-processing, the department refused the IOD- saying they couldn't prove that the disease was contracted at work.....SO TAKE HEED here....CPD ain't the CDC......they won't track down the infection source......so the FOP better be all over this.....
Be safe out there.....
I can't wait until the first junkie dies after being given the Narcan. I'm sure 'ol Rahm will stand at the podium defending the officers actions.
Ya right.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The policy says you have to carry it. They cannot force you to use it or discipline you if you don't.
2/09/2018 07:26:00 AM
What POLICY ? Site the G.O genius !
Let me see....Now they want you to be the Police, a Mental Health expert, a Social worker and last ,but not least,an Emergency Medical Expert administrating Narcan! The 1st life you try to save and can't because the Fentynal is too strong, will land you in the Trick Bag with a Civil lawsuit! Being Retired from the Job( Thank God) I think you P.O.'s should also make a Paramedic's salary as well as your own!
Didn’t know the police were in the medical field now
No way should any copper do this. Ok
$200,000 so far for a Narcan startup.
$1,000,000 and counting for a Sanctuary City ID.
It’s part of the Welcome to Chicago new neighbor gift basket.
Show your Sanctuary ID and get a dose of Narcan along with the free needles, rubbers and a ham sammich.
Most wont even have to leave their cardboard box under the bridge either.
WHO is going to protect you from lawsuits if a PO administers this crap and it is to late or just don't work . One day at a time this department is going down down
I’d rather administer narcan than generate bull shit activity.
The sad truth is that this may save no one. Narcan not only reverses the overdose, it destroys the addict's high leaving them craving more...
Heroin addict dies after 2 overdoses in 12 hours (Boston Herald, 4/27/2016)
"We've had some people get Narcanned two or three times in a couple of days"
https://tinyurl.com/yd6aebfz
First they demanded that you carry tazers cuz they are less than lethal, then they demanded you use them instead of guns.
So you use them, and because a jacked up, coked up, junkie has a jeart attack, now they claim tazers are deadly and demand you not use them.
And narcan shots are going to be different....how?
Psst- those are there for you guys and gals to save one another from accidental exposure to uncut fentanyl. Save them for that purpose.
Will we have to buy our own narcan like we have to buy our own torniques?
It is a nasal spray not an injection. If they aren't breathing then they are dead. If they are drunk etc, it won't harm them. Put your big boy pants on and try to help, thats what we get paid to do.
People posting about Hep-B need to read a little bit about viruses. I’ve known cops who’ve been bitten and contracted hep C. Remember working how many people fight you, how many people you cuff that are bloody? How many times have you heard “take universal precautions?” How many times have you heard offenders taunt you saying, “I got AIDS bitch and now you do too?” Now that I’m fetal, I don’t worry about that shit as much.
Now, hep-c lesson. Hep-c, unlike most viruses, doesn’t die quickly. It can remain on surfaces for up to 8 months! It is more tolerant to temperature changes and air than other viruses. Like HIV, it never leaves the body (no virus ever does) and right now there are is no vaccine. A “cure,” I think exists but antivirals cause extreme damage to internal organs. IV-needle users have extremely high exposure and, consequentially, tend to be carriers for Hep-C. Contracting Hep-C often goes undiagnosed. Over time it causes cirrhosis of the liver and will kill over time, decreasing your lifespan by secondary illnesses. Some even say it has been more devastating over the long run than HIV because it has infected more but takes way longer to kill than the progression from HIV contraction to full-blown AIDS/death so it gets less attention.
So no, fuck narcan. I won’t be using it. I don’t want that asshole to wake up spitting (mucous membranes, such as the eyes, nose and mouth are pathways to contracting viruses), biting or fighting me, exposing me to HEP-C or HIV. “Wear gloves?” Sneeze on my dick, that’s like saying, “she had HIV, just wear a condom, you’ll be good.”
Just another benefit of being a worthless P.O.S.
Wish the democrats would get off their save the world high horse and think about their American constituents for a change. (But we know that ain't happening).
J.J.
There are more than 1000 Police Departments in 38 states currently carrying naloxone in their cars. You wouldn't be so quick to say "Let the junkie die" if it were your son or daughter. There are many current CPD families already suffering from the impact of the death of a loved one from Opioid abuse. If nothing else it would be great to be prepared if you or your partner are accidentally exposed.
Obey all the laws driving to these calls especially intersections. You can’t help someone if you’re injured.
transporters in a hospital setting are required to have a state issued certificate Basic Life Service (BLS) and we are now required to administer NARCAN and susceptible to contamination from these clients without BLS and PPE, screening for contagious diseases, etc....grievance, or Unfair Labor Practice complaint! and work place safety violation complaint, FOP where are you on these issues!
I'd rather carry an Epi pen so I can save the child with the peanut allergy. But our lawmakers are too busy passing laws to save heroin addicts. That is all.
So no, fuck narcan. I won’t be using it. I don’t want that asshole to wake up spitting (mucous membranes, such as the eyes, nose and mouth are pathways to contracting viruses), biting or fighting me, exposing me to HEP-C or HIV. “Wear gloves?” Sneeze on my dick, that’s like saying, “she had HIV, just wear a condom, you’ll be good.”
^Comment of the year.
Still say let them go. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Simple concept got pay for your bad decisions.
Why not let natural selection work. Would save us all a lot of money. Tired of paying for others terrible choices. They would also not breed another dependent generation into the world. Sounds like a win on many fronts.
Would someone explain why so much worry over the dregs of society. Know that may sound harsh to some snowflakes but enough is enough.
I can't wait to read the bullshit order on this that will undoubtedly put the onus on coppers.
Wait until a junkie (someone who might have already been on his way out anyways) dies after a copper administers this narcan shit. They're gonna put his ass thru the wringer.
fuck all that
Great! more shit to be responsible for and have to carry around along with my taser, body camera, body cam mount, microphone and case, car keys, radio, dept cell phone, etc etc
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It is a nasal spray not an injection. If they aren't breathing then they are dead. If they are drunk etc, it won't harm them. Put your big boy pants on and try to help, thats what we get paid to do.
2/09/2018 11:54:00 AM
Shut the fuck up! We never got paid or took this job to shove a drug up a diseased junkie's nose. Don't be an asshole.
Why can't you call a paramedic?
They are probably prepared for this type of thing.
Why is the cop's job to do fucking EVERYTHING???
im not a paramedic i will not be performing any life saving techniques on anybody over the age of 12 as i dont know where they have been if you want me to be a paramedic pay me an extra 12k a year like a firefighter untill then my job description is to enforce the law....sorry guys.
Hey 5:50pm, suck it up buttercup. You’re supposed to be the police. You are supposed to be a first responder. Put on your gloves, put the shit up their nose and spray. If it doesn’t work and the FD says they are dead, oh well. Way too much crying here about it “not being our job.” How many countess agencies across the suburbs and country and carrying the stuff, using it and coming out just fine. If it was a major issue, I’m pretty sure other unions would’ve debated it and shot it down. I’d like to see just 1% of the hard asses on this blog, go to an OD with Narcan and say over the radio that it’s not their job to administer it and to have the FD handle it. We all know they won’t and we all know you’ll do it, kicking and screaming and then come to the blog to whine about it. It’s 2018, get with the program. The police simply aren’t what they used to be.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It is a nasal spray not an injection. If they aren't breathing then they are dead. If they are drunk etc, it won't harm them. Put your big boy pants on and try to help, thats what we get paid to do.
2/09/2018 11:54:00 AM
May I suggest a 10-1 benefit when you get hep c? I’ll put $20 in for you
Old retiree says:
Back in the day the Ohare units would round up all the old piss-bums hanging out and sleeping and send them to 016 or 025.....
After one of the roundups, two of us who had worked desk/lockup got sick with what we thought was the flu......we were ok after about 4 days.....then three days later, we both got deathly ill again.......and I mean DEATHLY ill......my skin started turning brown, vomiting, diarrhea, and could barely crawl to the bathroom literally.....turns out we BOTH had Hepatitus A which has no cure, all you can do is eat properly and rest and hope to God your liver recovers.....was off a few weeks but never felt as good or healthy again since that disease....and btw- my family members all had to get shots of gamma globulin so THEY didn't get sick....and here's the clincher: though the ONLY interaction that the TWO of us officers ever had together was that prisoner-processing, the department refused the IOD- saying they couldn't prove that the disease was contracted at work.....SO TAKE HEED here....CPD ain't the CDC......they won't track down the infection source......so the FOP better be all over this.....
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Thank you, sir. These are the stories that need to be told. This is the ugly truth that they will never admit to. They have no problem subjecting us to needless health problems and they would never subject themselves to. I’m sorry to hear about it. I’m sure you feel robbed. I would take a good bill of health over any amount of money. The FOP is asleep, as always.
The fear comes when they become conscious! Then (usually) combativiness follows. And before you make some dumbass comment, my close familt member OD'd on heroin. So fuck off assholes, I've known both sides
There is a vaccine for both a and b. It comes in one shot.! There is not a vaccine for C yet. If you get hep C then it stays with you forever. Hep B stays with you forever too unles you get the a and b vaccine which comes in one shot.
nymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The policy says you have to carry it. They cannot force you to use it or discipline you if you don't.
2/09/2018 07:26:00 AM
What POLICY ? Site the G.O genius !
Uh, the policy that is going to come out with the pilot program, genius!
I had the hep b series of shots when I came on the job. The company giving the shots got sued by the city. Why? I do not know? Maybe they used distilled water instead of the real stuff? My personal doctor gave me the three shots again without CPD's help. My doctor tested me after the shots and I did not have the antibody. My doctor said it sometimes does not work for all people. There's my out for not carrying Narcan.
For those of you who are smart and have annual check up. Advise your doctor what conditions we work in. Have your doc test you for all the contagious diseases. You want to take care of the problem as soon as possible.
Personally, I think using drugs are a personal choice for ADULTS. I heard it take 5 times in rehab to kick heroin. I have talk to heroin addicts that have used for 30 years and are in their 60's. Kids are a different story and deserve our help.
No thanks— I am not a trained medical professional and I won’t be risking my life or pension to help a drug addict. The most I will do is call EMS. Besides, why would we want to save someone that is not a functioning productive member of society. Drug addicts commit a number of crimes placing our communities in fear. I say let them die by their own hand. We all have to live with the consequences of the choices we make. As so it is—
Getting the hep shot is just smart all around. Hep can live on a surface for an insane amount of time. You’re more likely to catch it arresting and searching anyone than giving someone a hit if affirn up their booger slide.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
No thanks— I am not a trained medical professional and I won’t be risking my life or pension to help a drug addict. The most I will do is call EMS. Besides, why would we want to save someone that is not a functioning productive member of society. Drug addicts commit a number of crimes placing our communities in fear. I say let them die by their own hand. We all have to live with the consequences of the choices we make. As so it is—
2/10/2018 04:19:00 AM
Bingo!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey 5:50pm, suck it up buttercup. You’re supposed to be the police. You are supposed to be a first responder. Put on your gloves, put the shit up their nose and spray. If it doesn’t work and the FD says they are dead, oh well. Way too much crying here about it “not being our job.” How many countess agencies across the suburbs and country and carrying the stuff, using it and coming out just fine. If it was a major issue, I’m pretty sure other unions would’ve debated it and shot it down. I’d like to see just 1% of the hard asses on this blog, go to an OD with Narcan and say over the radio that it’s not their job to administer it and to have the FD handle it. We all know they won’t and we all know you’ll do it, kicking and screaming and then come to the blog to whine about it. It’s 2018, get with the program. The police simply aren’t what they used to be.
2/09/2018 08:38:00 PM
"The police simply aren’t what they used to be"
Man.you're not kidding.
Any Policeman who administers Narcan is a moron.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It is a nasal spray not an injection. If they aren't breathing then they are dead. If they are drunk etc, it won't harm them. Put your big boy pants on and try to help, thats what we get paid to do.
Just a wild guess.. your a white shirt that will never have to be in this situation ... give me your big boy pants (panties) along with your gold star pay check and your unwritten set of rules and I'm in!!! JO
Loved the comment re getting DNR tattooed on their chests after each OD! Priceless, and the medical professionals will thank you!
Used to be? I don’t think you ever were what you should have been
Getting the hep shot is just smart all around. Hep can live on a surface for an insane amount of time. You’re more likely to catch it arresting and searching anyone than giving someone a hit if affirn up their booger slide.
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Hey doctor, can you tell me where I can get vaccinated for Hep-C, the most dangerous strain of the hepatitis virus? Oh yeah, that’s right, one doesn’t exist. You’re referring to hep-B
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