Remember, Less Than Citizens
- A secretive appeals system has been knocking down the punishments of Chicago police officers no matter how serious their misconduct, undercutting the results of lengthy investigations and layers of review long after the public believes the cases were concluded.
In the first examination of its kind, the Chicago Tribune and ProPublica Illinois found that 85 percent of disciplinary cases handled through the Chicago Police Department’s grievance process since 2010 led to officers receiving shorter suspensions or, in many cases, having their punishments overturned entirely.
And the first example cited?
- A suspension for punching a handcuffed arrestee, all caught on camera? Negotiable.
Really? Because the first thing that came to mind was a copper being tried twice and ending up in Federal prison for four years. But then again, we aren't privy to all the political machinations going on behind the scenes.
Should we point out a few of those instances? Command staff pissing hot, caught drunk over and over, climbing in police women's windows, violating state law concerning adultery, stalking, harassment, concealing numerous weapons in their lockers, double-dipping, misuse of department databases, equipment, personnel....we could go on and on, and we're sure some commentators will be more than happy to oblige.
But the "report" doesn't really delve into the political aspect, just the part where those darn cops actually think they have Rights to appeal a punishment they feel was unjust, over-disciplined or just improperly decided for a political end. And we don't know how it's a "secretive" process as it's pretty much delineated in the Contract, a piece of Public knowledge negotiated, overseen and voted on by the City Council. Anything the Labor Affairs Section does in the dead of night is on the political realm, not the Department.
We know we're going to get a bunch of tiny brains popping up in the comment section about how we defend all cops all the time. Your bullshit will not see the light of day - we've called plenty of cops out, especially those in the "blessed" category of evading punishment. We have no use for dirty cops, and if the Department and COPA can substantiate the charges, more power to them. As we've said numerous times before - police are not above the law, but they aren't under it either.
Should we point out a few of those instances? Command staff pissing hot, caught drunk over and over, climbing in police women's windows, violating state law concerning adultery, stalking, harassment, concealing numerous weapons in their lockers, double-dipping, misuse of department databases, equipment, personnel....we could go on and on, and we're sure some commentators will be more than happy to oblige.
But the "report" doesn't really delve into the political aspect, just the part where those darn cops actually think they have Rights to appeal a punishment they feel was unjust, over-disciplined or just improperly decided for a political end. And we don't know how it's a "secretive" process as it's pretty much delineated in the Contract, a piece of Public knowledge negotiated, overseen and voted on by the City Council. Anything the Labor Affairs Section does in the dead of night is on the political realm, not the Department.
We know we're going to get a bunch of tiny brains popping up in the comment section about how we defend all cops all the time. Your bullshit will not see the light of day - we've called plenty of cops out, especially those in the "blessed" category of evading punishment. We have no use for dirty cops, and if the Department and COPA can substantiate the charges, more power to them. As we've said numerous times before - police are not above the law, but they aren't under it either.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
39 Comments:
double jeopardy
Point out that this is part of your UNION CONTRACT.
The working stiffs like us will understand immediately.
Where is the FOP correcting the erroneous information?
According to “ the community”, politicians, the black caucus etc. they sure seem to think that we should be below the law. Ignorant assholes.
Thank goodness that at least these arbitrators see that 3,4, 5yrs or more for IPRA/COPA to conduct an investigation is excessive.
For those that don't understand why it takes so long, IPRA/COPA uses a technique wherein they interview you, wait months then interview you again asking the same or similar questions hoping that you will trip yourself up and answer that question differently. This can go on for years. Hence, when they ultimately say that an officers statements were not consistent it's because that officer has been interviewed multiple times for the same incident over the course of 3,4, 5yrs or more by God know how many different IPRA/COPA investigators.
187 killings and they know racial make up of 123 of the suspects, which means they have a 60%+ clearance rate vs the 12% CPD clearance rate. This despite the fact that police hate started in their community. Must have non merit leadership. People in place that know how to get the job done despite all the BS community problems that seem to hinder the CPD efforts. Maybe a road trip is in order to find out how to solve homicides. Sorry forgot, the CPD detective leadership is incapable of reading a map to detect where St. Louis is located.
Who could ever forget Commander Notorious "Tr**g"!
Adultery, weapons in lockers? Who gives a shit? Worry about yourself.
Sincerely, Cmdr. Escamerit
The witch hunt continues.
Fuck 9.5 fingers and BLM we have a contract deal with it
Appeals and reviews. You know, stuff that people can ask for in case of something strange. Like, say, the person handing out the discipline has a personal beef with you. But what do I know.
Speaking of federal prison and getting fucked, does anyone know how Bill Cozzi is doing.?
The war on cops continue.
Right to Work - Employees should have the free choice to decide if they want to belong and participate in the union.
"" Anonymous said...
Point out that this is part of your UNION CONTRACT.
The working stiffs like us will understand immediately.
12/15/2017 12:47:00 AM""
There are no Unions anymore remember? Now the working stiffs hate us more then the rich people do just cayse we supposedly have a Union and a contract.
I heard the report last night on the news, and found it to be another Media attempt to paint the Chicago Police as Evil and protected by their own Code of Silence and a Separate Judicial System. The arbitrary manner in which punishment is administered by the City is more often than not, Political and often Racial in nature. Officers must have a means of defending themselves from this corrupt system. It is not the fault of the wronged Officer, if the process is slow. This is like telling a rape victim she provoked the attack by her appearance. Or telling Van Dyke it is HIS fault that it has taken this long to bring his case to trial! The Reality is that cops often win their cases or at least reduce the punishment when grieved because they were improperly disciplined to being with. Stay Safe, and defend your rights. In too many circumstances, YOU are the First Victim. Baby "G"
we hit the 650 mark yesterday. they need someone to blame.
My son stole my vodka.
>>>>> 'Discipline for making racially insensitive comments during a traffic stop? Tossed out and expunged from the record.' <<<<<
Outrageous! He hurt someone's **feelings** damn it. He should be kicked off the force, made to pay a gazillion dollars, exiled from Chicago, and shunned for the rest of his life.
Okay, enough with the leftist Social Justice Warrior (aka: SJW) Bullshit. Being "insensitive" and hurting someone's feelings is not against the law OR a firing offense. These SJW assholes need to get a fricken life.
Needless to say I stopped reading that crap article when I read the copied paragraph above. It was obvious that it was only going to go downhill from there.
Anonymous said...
Thank goodness that at least these arbitrators see that 3,4, 5yrs or more for IPRA/COPA to conduct an investigation is excessive.
For those that don't understand why it takes so long, IPRA/COPA uses a technique wherein they interview you, wait months then interview you again asking the same or similar questions hoping that you will trip yourself up and answer that question differently. This can go on for years. Hence, when they ultimately say that an officers statements were not consistent it's because that officer has been interviewed multiple times for the same incident over the course of 3,4, 5yrs or more by God know how many different IPRA/COPA investigators.
12/15/2017 04:08:00 AM
Ask for a transcript of the interview?
Then every time they whistle you in over the course of years
to try and get you to give conflicting statements, refer to
your previous statement, present them with a copy and bid them
good day?
Of course IPRA/COPA will push back against this
as it makes too much common sense and it will
fuck up their quota for sustaining cases.
"If'n you don't talk to us some more, we gonna
git a numba own you for not 'cooperatin' with US!"
Protect yourselves from THEM.
FOP DOES NOT have the luxury of NOT pushing
back against this nonsense.
The union contract does not protect "bad cops" it ensures due process, a right afforded to everyone via the US Constitution. In other words, the department must cross all the t's, dot all the i's, and must make their case. This is a really daunting task for the political hacks who are "in high places".
As Shortshanks reiterated " I Don't remember nuttin.
too bad the media cannot get their hands on every investigation in IAD on officers of rank, captain and above. FOIA does not apply on this as it is a personnel matter. I think they will see a pattern of outrageous behavior much of it criminal that has been covered up. They can start with the lieutenant's cheating scandal which was covered up by the Inspector General and needs to see the light of day. But, the media is not interested in a corrupt promotional system or favoritism in investigations for the connected. It is not their agenda and city hall would no like such an inquiry
Well said, SCC, well said!
CPD Officers ARE third class citizens. As far as I know only CPD sworn Officers have to register ALL their firearms. However, civilian employees are not held to this rule. I don't even want to get started on our lack of First Amendment rights.
Its all about clout.
My favorite part of the article was the quote from the gentleman who writes for the Reader. We all know that the Reader is an open minded publication relying purely on facts. No bias in that organization for sure.
Well said. I think most of us street coppers feel the same SCC...exactly...the same. None of us want dirty cops. And very few of us are.
Seems like everyday, every damn day, there’s another smear job article. Based on opinion and bs half wit info. And they wonder why things are the way they are, and stupid clueless Aldermen are calling for UN Troops to hit the street. Hahaha what a joke. We know exactly how to halt the crime. We can easily put a stop to a hell of a lot of it. But with the race card getting dropped with nearly every interaction, and absurd ghetto lawsuits galore being allowed to go forward, and the ACLU running the show, who wants to do a damn thing.
Not I, said the lowly copper with too much to lose, not I.
There is no problem with disciplining officers for misconduct.
What the public doesn't understand or care to know is that officers have due process rights.
And not every complaint is valid.
And what happens is that when a case goes to arbitration, what the City considers a "fair, thorough, and competent"investigation gets laughed at.
So why send it to arbitration with its expense if it is going to lose?
Kickbacks to Dem Politicians in exchange for promotions and Fat Pensions, and on and on. Chiraq is a Modern Day Sodom and Gammorrah.Gammorrah. Beware whats coming. God's chastisement underway in Cali, Chiraq & NYC Next. God will not be mocked. You can Take it to the Bank. Just wait. It's only beginning
Chicago, Land of the Double Standard. Now They've contaminated the entire Country.
Guilty until proven Liable...it’s the CO’PRA Community Resto-Justice motto.
Can’t focus on repeat violent felons or the feral untouchable gun totin’-car jackin’ community urchins getting free passes can they?
This is nothing more than timely and on schedule Anti-Police propaganda released by Rahm’s Fake News Consortium.
Expect more as we get closer to Rahm’s re-election challenge.
I’ll bet we even hear candidate GMac (per PrickWanker: “a racist bully boy”) revive his “institional racism” palaver again.
Still, this amounts to Rahm & CO’PRAH unrelenting effort to overhaul the FOP Contract.
Watch for which benefits they’ll threaten to abolish just to get even stricter, unfair Discipline measures put into the Contract.
Want Duty Availability, Uniform Allowance Court Time, P/BF Days, 9% over 5 years, etc - ?
No FOP Contract change should be considered or ratified without a fight at least until after March 2019.
But still, ‘Anybody but Rahm’ is not going to be any benefit for us.
Hey SCC, I know you follow the news. Wondering why you never write anything about retired detective Reynaldo Guevara. I worked there when he was allowed to run wild and gather so many homicide arrests that are now coming back to haunt him and the CPD. He didn't do it alone. He had the help of his bosses and the States Attorney Office. Why not ask a question as to why he was allowed to run wild. Could it be that the city only wanted arrests and didn't care who they arrested and convicted. Was it all about the numbers. Let's hear what you think happened. And don't talk to me about Preib, he has his own agenda.
Noble and its minions are seemingly above the law and adminstrative investigations. Cheaters do prosper on the Chicago Police Department.
"Some" people seem to think the rights they enjoy, and upheld by Police Officers, are suspended when a man/woman (and to be politically correct, all the other sexes on the planet) pins on a badge.
J.J.
looks like Rahmista's are on the verge of replacing whole CPD or at least reducing CPD to strictly a traffic operation... Boyn-go goes Bingo... them hoodratz gonna luv'em some'm dem awful nice robin egg blue boiz http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/cook-county-commissioner-requests-un-peacekeeping-forces-chicago-652-homicides-far-year/
I remember years ago, they would have a complaint review panel of a PO,SGT and LT for some suspension reviews.
I sat on the panel as a PO. They wanted to give some copper 10 days for allegedly writing some BS movers. The Lt who initiated the CR never named the Sgt. on the scene. We asked for the Lt. to answer which Sgt was on the scene along with a few other questions we had.
Couple months later we get called back. Lt. had written a 10 page report, delineating why he couldn't remember what Sgt was on scene, blah blah blah. Copper knew, (there were only 2 working that day), Lt. couldn't figure out who it was.
We recommended the whole suspension get thrown out. Lt. apparently didn't want to throw his Sgt. under the bus, but had no problem seeing the copper getting 10 days. City can't write their way out of a paper bag....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey SCC, I know you follow the news. Wondering why you never write anything about retired detective Reynaldo Guevara. I worked there when he was allowed to run wild and gather so many homicide arrests that are now coming back to haunt him and the CPD. He didn't do it alone. He had the help of his bosses and the States Attorney Office. Why not ask a question as to why he was allowed to run wild. Could it be that the city only wanted arrests and didn't care who they arrested and convicted. Was it all about the numbers. Let's hear what you think happened. And don't talk to me about Preib, he has his own agenda.
12/15/2017 10:41:00 AM
I agree. No murder charge is approved without the approval of an ASA and I’m sure they go higher and get the final approval above the ASA felony review. Don’t get excited I do know about the CPD Bosses override but they get dropped at probable cause if ASA doesn’t want the guy charged
There was a former ASA who gave information about one case he is not now with the ASA office but he was one that approved the charges or was part of the process and now is saying the process was flawed by both CPD and ASA. he should have don’t something then as he was anASA and an officer of the court. Always blame the police
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Point out that this is part of your UNION CONTRACT.
The working stiffs like us will understand immediately.
12/15/2017 12:47:00 AM
One of the sticking points in contract negotiations is the 24 hrs officers R given before making a statement in a shooting. City wants it out. Funny but the FBI gets 72 hrs. The top agency should be a guideline They are elite and never do anything wrong so why can’t we pattern our rules to mirror theirs
Screw this job and this city. Screw noble. Most officers don't want residency lifted. What a joke.
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