Shoot Your Partner?
Special Ed is unhappy that everyone isn't contributing their opinion to the new Use of Force Policy:
- It’s an old adage meant to fill polling booths: If you don’t vote, don’t complain about who’s in office.
Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson, with noticeable frustration in his voice, used similar logic to urge people to share their opinions on a proposed overhaul of the department’s use of force policy.
“I have to emphasize that if you don’t comment on it — and you don’t look at it, and you don’t comment on it — then don’t be upset with the policy that’s put in place because you didn’t help craft it,” Johnson said Tuesday at a breakfast at the Union League Club.
As we stated a while back, the number of comments submitted is under 150. Supposedly, 101 of them are from Jamal, Lemon and pfather Pfleger. Another 25 are Special Ed trying to order a pizza. So there are only something like two dozen actual comments, meaning that your comment might actually have some weight....if Special Ed, Granny Kirkpatrick/Clampett or Rahm really gave a shit what you thought.
- Johnson announced the yet-to-be finalized draft in October, along with a 45-day window in which public comments would be accepted. The window shuts on Dec. 5.
On 06 December, Special Ed will ceremoniously strip 100 officers....just because.
This however, was pointed out by an e-mailer and is a bit concerning:
This however, was pointed out by an e-mailer and is a bit concerning:
- Proposed changes also would require officers to stop another officer who is engaging in misconduct when it comes to the use of force.
“We are going to require officers to actually intervene,” Kirkpatrick said. “You must intervene and stop the misconduct, not just report it.”
So...if your partner is using, let's say, Deadly Force. And you, for whatever reason, decide that the use of Deadly Force is above and beyond what you would have used. You must intervene to stop the alleged misconduct. According to the Use of Force Model, Deadly Force is countered with.....Deadly Force.
So......shoot your partner?
We've worked with a lot of cops over the years. A few great ones, some not so great, most just honest guys and gals trying to get through the day, get home, drink a beer, see the kids' school play, get some sleep, whatever.
We can't recall ever wanting to actually kill them, but according to the Wicked Witch of the West Coast, we'll be required to "intervene" when witnessing misconduct, up to and including, shooting our partner to stop misconduct, disregarding the fact that two people can witness the same situation from different vantage points and come up with completely different interpretations of events.
FOP? PBPA? You strong silent types want to chime in on this before somebody in charge actually puts this bullshit into effect?
So......shoot your partner?
We've worked with a lot of cops over the years. A few great ones, some not so great, most just honest guys and gals trying to get through the day, get home, drink a beer, see the kids' school play, get some sleep, whatever.
We can't recall ever wanting to actually kill them, but according to the Wicked Witch of the West Coast, we'll be required to "intervene" when witnessing misconduct, up to and including, shooting our partner to stop misconduct, disregarding the fact that two people can witness the same situation from different vantage points and come up with completely different interpretations of events.
FOP? PBPA? You strong silent types want to chime in on this before somebody in charge actually puts this bullshit into effect?
Labels: department issues, un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
202 Comments:
So if everyone starts voting to kill gang bangers that's the new policy. Give me a break. Policy should not be made by voting. If that was the case we would all go home early.
Can't wait to leave, totally discussed. I have made up my mind I'm leaving this state as soon as possible. Maybe no one will care however when they keep running off the good people let's see what happens then.
7 more years to go.
Every man for himself.... this place is a mad house!
Only liberal cop haters could come up with a policy like this.
YES - that is REALLY the question of the day - Where is FOP???
This whole idea of changing "Use of Force" rules should be looked at with a fine-tooth comb. I don't like it.
The BIG question I would have is, does it put any officer in danger? (Both before AND after the decision as been made?)
What I would like to know is - how come they are not reviewing and determining better guidelines in educating the public on - "Stop and Drop"?
Stop if a police officer says "Stop" and "Drop the gun" if the officer says, "Drop the gun" - instead of running away and/or shooting at the officer.
To me, once you fail to obey the officer's command, you just opened up the use of deadly force.
FOP...a complete joke.
Coppers should use deadly force when they witness misconduct? If the city wants that, Wheezie, Special Ed, various others like the LIEtenamts should be looking to buy Kevlar shorts!
very scary is the braintrust which will be judging all this--deciding if you followed policy--or allowed someone else to violate policy...35th street is full of fools who have been fooled into believing that they are qualified and smart enough to make decisions beyond what type of toast to have with breakfast.
What I find so funny is the Union Club speeches. Most of the members of the Union Club are rich suburbanites. Why is this fool always giving his speeches at the Union Club. If you not a member of this elite club you can not even use the restroom on the auditorium floor. If you are not a member you have to go to the basement to use the restroom. So why is this fool always giving his speeches at the union club. This city is such a joke. Nothing but arrogant self centered people running this shit show.
Want MY opinion?
Stop pandering to these people and lay the LAW down.
In THIS day and age, ANYONE committing a crime opens themselves up to lethal force. You cannot trust them to "give up" or stop.
Off Topic: Do you really want to know why Skahill was hired/fired in one day?
Why DTEB was released from employment as the Director of Homeland Security for the County?
Then you must read about former officer's Spalding and Echeverria's Whistleblower lawsuit.
You can read all the sordid details that came out of it below. Lots of bosses named as participating
directly in the harassment and intimidation of both officers.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/06/chicago-police-bosses-targeted-cops-who-exposed-corruption/
An interesting cast of characters named:
Chief Juan Rivera
Chief Roti
Commander Ernest Brown
Commander James O'Grady
Commander Joe Salemme
ADS Debra Kirby
Lt. Cesario
Sgt. Joe Barz
Sgt. Muscolino
Sgt. T. Mills
Sgt. M. Barnes
Everyone is smart enough to know that it wouldn't matter what the police think. They'd be wasting their time commenting on it. The politicians will do as they want. People that don't face life and death decisions in a split second and deal with the violence every day will decide. It's over Johnny.
Sounds like insanity to me.
Well in all honesty, Special Ed is right. If the blue shirts aren't giving opinions and our own union isn't doing jack shit about it either, then there is nothing to counter it. Special Ed can simply say he only received maybe 20 complaints out of the 10K coppers and that the union never fought it. So in turn, everyone will cry about the new policy, yet 99% of the department and the union gave zero input on it. People can whine about the corruption all day long , but the fact is, doing nothing about it just gives them a wide open window.
FOP ain't got shit to say they too busy getting ready for the next shit show election.
Why isn't the FLOP offering to submit officer comments under their name?
Would you really want to comment if you aren't one of the connected and clouted clowns?
OT Warning to all retirees who are being dropped from the City's health care. The two plans that the city is pushing and the plan the FOP is pushing may be not be enough coverage for you. Check out any health care broker, there are tons in the phone book or on line. They do not charge you for an appointment nor are you obligated to get a plan from them. Have them compare the plans I just mentioned to what is out there. There are numerous health insurance companies and all kinds of plans in each company. You may be surprised to find you can get better coverage for less than the above plans. Check out a few brokers. I got a plan from BCBS with more coverage.
How much would it set me back if I just
let off a few rounds in the air, instead of shooting
My partner? I enjoy drinking coffee in the squad
car and a round of golf now and then with him
Use a Taser?
A whoopi cushion is the only device that can properly sum up how I feel about the future direction of the Department. I keep asking myself how it can get any worse. Rock bottom seems to know no limits.
SCC, while everything mentioned here is what some people would call "concerning" in my opinion, there is an even bigger issue that is coming to the forefront of all this. It's scary to watch how all of this is unfolding because of the new rules for investigating fatal police shootings. As we all know, CPD detectives will handle the investigation if the offender survives, if the offender dies IPRA (or COPA?) handles the investigation......
To this point, IPRA has been undertrained, inexperienced, and completely in over their heads conducting complex and life-altering investigations. Without getting into particulars, let's just say that they are apparently leaving a lot of stones unturned- even after being guided to the stones. I am hoping that is possibly more ignorance than intentional axe-grinding? But it shouldn't be either! The "I" in IPRA stands for independent. If they are not doggedly seeking the truth- whichever way it takes them, that's bullshit. If the facts don't jive with the agenda you are pushing, you don't just get to conduct a shoddy investigation simply to appease the squeaky wheel.
THAT is something we need to stay on top of- are they doing everything they can to ensure a thorough investigation?
And who is providing oversight for THEM?
Regardless, Sgt P. keep your head up. You are a gentleman and a good copper. Hang tough, and lean on your friends if you need anything!
Just when I thought it couldn't get no worse. We go from lowest morale in the Chicago Police Departments history. To frustration, anger, emptiness and despair. All by the lack of our leadership. I just passed my half way point and can't wait to leave. I just can't wait till I get my 20 in. Looking forward to life after this job and moving far as I can from here.
Red state I can't wait to be a resident.
Don't be stupid, people. Despite your feedback, they're gonna do what they wanna do. So your feedback doesn't mean shit! Asking for feedback just gives the illusion that you have a voice.
You want my feedback, boss? Ok, CPD,
STAY FETAL!
Saw a story from channel 9 covering Special Ed and Granny at the Union League Club. First: Granny needs to stop wearing a Chicago Police uniform, you ain't the PO-Leese and never will be. Second: It occurs to me that Granny is to Special Ed as Dana Starks was to Phil Cline. That is, an unwanted fifth wheel. Like 'You're not my guy, and I want to know that you know, that you're not my guy!' Pitiful....this is all being crafted by City Hall. What's the over-under on 900 murders next year?
Not sure if you guys have seen that viral video of the murder at 63/Ashland, but it raises a good question or two....
I have rarely seen an act of such a brutal nature- I've been on the job a while, and been around the block, and this video made even me a bit squeamish. We deal with the worst of the worst quite often, but sometimes you forget just how bad the worst can be.
To bludgeon a man's head with a blunt object like that was dusturbing.
Now, if a beat car rounded the corner and saw the first stone or 2, obviously we know deadly force is authorized.....However, how many coppers would actually pull the trigger? And if they did- what would the department's reaction be? I'm sure the headlines would read "Cop shoots man for liquor bottle." Seems like a lot of people online are placing the police at blame for not being around. Or mental health facilities for closing. Or anything and everything but PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Why not just place the blame where the blame belongs.....I dunno. Maybe it's just me.
"On 06 December, Special Ed will ceremoniously strip 100 officers....just because." Haha! Do you mean ..... Sir-strips-a-lot?!
The Progressive and Catered-To Constituent wet dream...
The very notion of reducing Policemen to more or less
rolling around on the ground chewing on each other
or actually drawing weapons and possibly shooting
each other because one officer, right or wrong,
in the heat of the moment, deems another officer's
use of force, whether non-lethal or lethal;
to be excessive?
That this insanity is even being considered is a
DAMNING INDICATION OF THE WHOLESALE COLLAPSE
of the entirety of Chicago Police Department
leadership.
This, is being pushed as accountability and transparency?
BULLSHIT.
This is a full-on and total abdication of responsibility by:
The Mayor.
His advisors.
The Superintendent.
His staff.
So... What IF one officer decides to take it upon himself
to "stop" another officer perceived to be using excessive force?
Then a subsequent officer decides that the attempt to stop
the excessive force is in itself excessive?
This order is a potential God-Awful mess intentionally
designed to spiral beyond the realm of reason
into the ether of horrible by orders of magnitude.
We're facing this because Rahm Emanuel is a pandering,
craven chicken-shit of a malignant manling.
Rahm... YOU FUCKED UP BY SUPPRESSING THE
JVD/LMcD VIDEO SO AS NOT TO INFLAME THE
BLACK VOTE IN THE 2015 ELECTION.
You also fucked up by running a sham Superintendent
selection process when you KNEW you were going to
select Johnson because he was compromised by the
Lieutenant Exam cheating scandal and would do
your bidding if you would stymie the investigation.
You doubly fucked up/out-smarted yourself
when one of the applicants in your sham Superintendent
selection process, Anne Kirkpatrick; threatened to
drag your North Shore shit-ass to court and drown
you in litigation so you had to turn around and
force this Department to eat that frustrated,
scolding, social justice warrior/law enforcement
gypsy as Chief of "Organizational Development"
in spite of her having been chased/litigated
off every Police executive post she's ever held.
And based on Kirkpatrick's less than stellar past
performance and penchant for being joyously punitive
toward Policemen because she herself has run away
from ever having to take an assertive Police action,
this policy SURELY has her fingerprints all over it.
CPD is poorer for her being here and she will
prove herself to be nothing but an affliction
to Policemen who struggle to survive this mess.
As for so called Superintendent Johnson?
You sir, are a less-than-a-man with no
honor or decency whatsoever.
You are wholly unfit to wear that uniform,
let alone wear the insignia of Superintendent
of Police.
Your every executive decision is not your own.
You're along for the ride with this insanity
because you made the intentional and conscious
decision to protect your bed-mates from getting
the punishment they so richly deserve because
they got caught up in the stinking thinking
of "IT'S OUR TURN NOW" that facilitated the
cheating scandal of record.
Not a Policeman worth the ink on their paper
is going to adhere to this intentionally
horrid re-writing of the Use of Force Model.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Stay Safe.
Give No One Your Six.
God Bless, Cover and Shield Us All.
Live a healthy life, outlive special ed, and yes, party hearty on his grave.
And with some of these knucklehead kids coming out today, that's EXACTLY what will happen
“I have to emphasize that if you don’t comment on it — and you don’t look at it, and you don’t comment on it — then don’t be upset with the policy that’s put in place because you didn’t help craft it,”
"We have to pass it to see what's in it!"
If the Ed the stripper is asking for comments yet no one in the department cares to comment what is the union supposed to do? It's obviously not important to the membership.
Gives the Dept more ability to strip and fire you. Where is Dean on this? WTF? Failure to represent. This affects discipline which is a "mandatory subject of collective bargaining".
Why does anyone work, Democrats job program is for everyone to get paid without working. No jobs. City fucked up. I'm just trying to fit in with Democrats policy of free government cheese.
More BS. Just roll out the $!@+ you have planed. Don't try to get everyone to buy into they have a voice.
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent cola just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
What clown college did Granny get her degree from?
That's an extremely asinine, impractical idea she's got there.
Does FOP and it' absent President do anything but sell insurance and eat.
I'm tired. Anyone else?
Alfred Hitchcock could make a great movie about a police office wanting to get "rid" of his/her partner if a married couple were working together.
I'm tired. Anyone else?
Hey granny- SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! You know not of what you speak.
Form a circle Ready-Aim-Fire!
Finally saw our beloved Granny in uniform with Special Ed. Absent from her uniform was the Police Memorial bar which even recruits wear. Both she and Special Ed's appearance did not command respect. When you hear that we are also paying to relocate her girlfriend to Chicago and give her a job, shouldn't one of Granny's co workers sound the policy violation alarm? This is rapidly becoming the shit show of law enforcement waiting for the LieTenants exam scam to implode. And these are Rahm's appointments. Meanwhile, both FOP & PBPA will not speak out against these new policies while gladly collecting our membership dues.
So Van Dyke's partner should have blown Van Dyke away? He did commit murder, according to Cook County
Now you're just forcing me to go fetal.
If you folks don't organize and speak up, you're gonna be stuck in this deadly mess of a policy. Quit waiting on the FOP and get a large group with some balls and take this to national media. Thats Rhams worst nightmare. Time to take a page from the activists. Get this out of Chicago amd you'll get backing grom the nation. This UOF policy is literally a joke and will get some good guys hurt. America backs you, you just work in a city full of liberal morons. Stand up and fight these bastards. Be safe folks. God bless first responders!
I could see Kim Foxxxxxx charging coppers with felony Offical Misconduct if they DON'T shoot their partner. You would be an accomplice at that point. If she can score a few quick hits, they rest of you will fall in line.
Asking input on this matter is similar to when city hall asks for input on an issue just before they vote on it. They will do what they want regardless of what anyone thinks. Done deal
I'm tired. Anyone else?
I guess the Ohio State cop should have been stopped by his partner:
Tariq Nasheed, a self described “anti-racism strategist,” alleged that Ohio State University Police Officer Alan Horujko was only being praised because he was white and the suspect, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, was black.
Who are the depraved scumbags that instructed CPD to remove from draft order the Affirmation of Protection of Life Policy that will place officers lives in greater danger, FOP/PBPA needs to demand answers now ! Here is a short list of suspects- Miss Gulch, DOJ ,BLM, Jamal, ACLU, Corporation Counsel, COPA, & Jill Stein.
Anonymous said...
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent colha just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
Just wait your turn. Baby steps. Get some time on this earth.
It's very important that everyone understand that this new policy is NOT required by DOJ. It was crafted by the lawyers hired by the city.
I have had a few partners that I wanted to shoot just for eating retried beans...
Special ED is WAY over his head.
He is used to stealing ideas from his clouted minions. If WEZZIE is such a scholar and all those characters from NOBLE score so well put them all on a committee.
The last few few batches of laughable promotion list were loaded with clownish
merits with little value.
So if the Head of one of the largest police department is not capable of actually creating something from scratch with armies of city lawyers and whites shirt is he overpaid?
Did he go to the academy and ask all those high end teacher of recruits what they think? (they do look spiffy clean shaven).
Did he call in anyone from from the range (gun nuts) and ask basic question?
Did he ask any of those white shirt lawyers whose college was paid in full by the City to do any law research regarding the use of force?
NO...
but some ass hat that passes out paper awards to exempts who don't make arrest at HQ goes against general orders and writes an order saying you can't go to an award ceremony with a beard even with medical clearance.(ever wonder why exempts put themselves in for awards)
brilliant.
Granny drank too much Starbucks coffee while in Seattle. Her mind is gone. This proves it.
Hopefully the FOP election will bring the same results as the presidential election.
Anonymous said...
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent cola just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
11/30/2016 03:11:00 AM
We do suck as far as pensions go.
75% after 29 and a day while everyone else except fire get 80%
3% cola is a simple cola while everyone else except fire get compounded cola's.
While any increase year to year is good a simple cola gives you little in the way of keeping up with inflation.
They should put money into a campaign to teach black and Hispanics how to stop, listen and obey when dealing with police. Seriously, I think the community needs a refresher course in listening to authority figures, even if they think they are 100% right. Call it , Stop, listen and learn. Or stop, listen and live.
What is the determining factor in deciding if your partner is committing misconduct during a use of force incident?
If this order was in effect during the McDonald incident how many officers would have stepped in or ran over to stop JVD? And, just how would they have stopped him? Officer are not normally very close to each other during incidents, JUST HOW DO I STOP MY PARTNER? I don't care what the order says, I'm not going to shoot him!
How can I as an officer justify stopping my partner if my partner feels that force is necessary? If my partner feels that his life or that of another was in harms way? That's how he feels about the situation from his vantage point.
And, who will determine after the fact that either of us failed to follow this order properly?
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
You have to be FRIGGIN KIDDIN ME....What the Phuq is WRONG with these IDIYOTS????????????
This is why I tell people all the time, do NOT become a Chicago Police Officer!
I can't wait to retire and leave this job!
For Christ sake where is the fop?
I will bring this subject up with Muffy and Biff when I see them at the Club.
What do all of those identified in the whistle blower law suit have in common?
Hmmm?
Anonymous said...
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent cola just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
11/30/2016 03:11:00 AM
Baby steps boomer now return to your fetal position and enjoy a cold non-sweetened beverage...
Regarding the 11/30/2016 3:11 AM post re: SB440 - doesn't the bill reduce pension benefits in violation of the Illinois Constitution, Arcticle XIII Section 5?
We had a slimilar van dyke/mcdonald situation. hype with knife assaulting people and popping car tires. 6 of us approach. he has knife. not one of us had our guns out. taser fails on first deployment. he runs 75 feet with knife. second deployment works. If he would have came our way no one could have shot him fast enough. 2 years ago this guy would have been shot. they need to pay us more for sticking our neck out, in my belief, too far. I know the job if dangerous, but a person with a knife should be met with guns drawn...etc.
Anonymous said...
Why does anyone work, Democrats job program is for everyone to get paid without working. No jobs. City fucked up. I'm just trying to fit in with Democrats policy of free government cheese.
11/30/2016 02:45:00 AM
All the cheese is being processed and served in the ghetto neighborhoods that's why every elected official caters to the producers and recipients...
We're facing this because Rahm Emanuel is a pandering,
craven chicken-shit of a malignant manling.
What a classic description...
The CPLA (PBPA Lts) has already protested the draft. But you, as I, know what will happen. Under all the contracts the dept. will claim management rights and implement the order anyway. It can be more restrictive than, but not less than, Illinois and federal law. That's why no cops are logging in their opinion - their opinion doesn't and will never count for anything. Where this will actually play out, if and when the order is approved ( and it will be, as written) is during arbitration and administrative review. It's almost like the Rule 14 fiasco. You can't charge someone will lying unless you can prove that. You can't TELL me what is did or didn't see and you can't TELL me how I should have interpreted that view. So, the order will be written and it will be violated a thousand times per week because as we all know the street cop is going home no matter what.
If the Ed the stripper is asking for comments yet no one in the department cares to comment what is the union supposed to do? It's obviously not important to the membership.
2:23 am. Union dues are collected twice a month for the FOP to advocate (Latin for "to speak up for") the membership in matters of the good of the collective well-being
Fuck it. That's about as much as you're going to get out of me.
You don't really think that the administration actually cares what anyone thinks or that any of these posted comments will actually be given any weight? Do you? I recall when the department held city wide meetings of officers and citizens, formed study groups of officers led by district commanders, all for the purpose of getting input and letting officers feel that they are being listened to and are a part of the program. Most of the commanders stopped showing up after the first meeting, but you were still required to attend, and for free at that. But, what everyone found out when the program was implemented was that the policy was already written and did not change one bit. Just a show, same as everything CPD does.This is a way of bagging everyone on the scene of a controversial incident.
BACK OF THE YARDS — After a pair of gang shootings in the 15th Ward erupted minutes apart Monday night and left two dead, Ald. Raymond Lopez (15th) called on the Chicago Police Department to be more aggressive in its crackdown on gang violence.
"The department needs to go from passively engaging these individuals to aggressively going after them," Lopez said. "These are the same individuals who are routinely at the center of these conflicts. We have to rout them out and remove them from our communities. My residents simply can't take it anymore."
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Hasn't someone clued this IDIOT in yet that the CPD has been de-balled and this is the CPD you stupid fucks have been asking for so DEAL WITH IT
7 more years to go.
11/30/2016 12:13:00 AM
on this jog, that is a lifetime
Dr. Dean Jr. PhD----Your fired
Election time in a few months
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not sure if you guys have seen that viral video of the murder at 63/Ashland, but it raises a good question or two....
I have rarely seen an act of such a brutal nature- I've been on the job a while, and been around the block, and this video made even me a bit squeamish. We deal with the worst of the worst quite often, but sometimes you forget just how bad the worst can be.
To bludgeon a man's head with a blunt object like that was dusturbing.
Now, if a beat car rounded the corner and saw the first stone or 2, obviously we know deadly force is authorized.....However, how many coppers would actually pull the trigger? And if they did- what would the department's reaction be? I'm sure the headlines would read "Cop shoots man for liquor bottle." Seems like a lot of people online are placing the police at blame for not being around. Or mental health facilities for closing. Or anything and everything but PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Why not just place the blame where the blame belongs.....I dunno. Maybe it's just me.
11/30/2016 01:51:00 AM
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I don't know. Do you really want to put yourself in that position of murder. We do have a new Cook County States Attorney looking to make a name for herself. No, better to stay in the safety of your vehicle, call for back up and when everyone arrives from the 007 District give a formal warning of the possibility of being tased. If that doesn't work well have a Sgt or Lt. commit murder. Above all make sure your body camera is on so the entire nation can watch over and over how the guy died.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent cola just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
11/30/2016 03:11:00 AM
I never understood the use of birth years for this? Why can't they just have it based on age? It has to work to their benifit or it would have been written better when first enacted...
Remember hes been an officer for 28 years. And still doesnt have a fucking clue on how to be the police.
He just clowning.
There is nothing wrong with the old one!!!!! Obey the law and you wont have problems.
I am going to Find Granny Clampet and go on a rant like that lady in Wicker Park ! Animal
Given the nature of society and the nature of spineless bosses, I can't understand why coppers are still chasing suspects and putting themselves in these positions to feel obligated to use lethal force. I get it, worked in TAct, went to the dicks and now a Sgt so I understand that it is in our nature to simply do our job BUT those times have seemed to pass. I know it sucks but what is the payoff or what is the reward??? Desk duty, media scrutiny dragging your name through the mud regardless of a flawless career. It's not worth it and it really pains me to say that. For gods sake, a POS is seen pointing a pistol at someone in my greenwood and he is killed and now these guys will be dragged through the depts garbage protocol and will go through lengthy depositions for merely doing their jobs. it appears that they don't want you to do anything so don't, fuck it.
This POS chief is garbage. I don't care who worked with him, I don't care what kind of boss or worker he claims to be, he is a political pawn and could give two fucks about any of us. If someone flees, Give their direction of travel and a descrition and take the report. It won't be the first time a battery goes unsolved, or a robbery unsolved and more than half the time the victim ultimately wants nothing done anyways or cannot even identify the offender.
I know there will be some out there that think differently and that's fine if you please to subject youselves to this bullshit protocol that the dept is putting guys through. You are a hero one day and on desk duty the next. All the bullshit CR numbers that POS scumbags are putting on you will further validate the departments discipline and as we all know 95% of them are BS anyhow.
I love this job and love the coppers out there being the real police but it has gone too far and too many of our brothers are getting hemmed up for complete BS.
Sarg
The police use of force is such a fine line. I have heard civilians compare it to regular murders, where the offender goes out with the intent to kill someone. "Hey if a civilian did it he would be arrested, why not the cop?" One second the cop has no justification for use of deadly force, the next moment he does, the next moment he doesn't, the next moment he does. Its apples and oranges. If the cop does indeed make an honest mistake, it is nowhere close to being the same mindset as the out-and-out murderer. Civilians just don't get it. Apparently, neither does granny Clampet. I mean, I get it, when a cop is beating someone mercilessly who doesn't deserve it you are supposed to stop it. I get it. I would do that anyway. But rarely is this the case.
I'm tired too, let them kill each other.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Finally saw our beloved Granny in uniform with Special Ed. Absent from her uniform was the Police Memorial bar which even recruits wear. Both she and Special Ed's appearance did not command respect. When you hear that we are also paying to relocate her girlfriend to Chicago and give her a job, shouldn't one of Granny's co workers sound the policy violation alarm? This is rapidly becoming the shit show of law enforcement waiting for the LieTenants exam scam to implode. And these are Rahm's appointments. Meanwhile, both FOP & PBPA will not speak out against these new policies while gladly collecting our membership dues.
11/30/2016 04:45:00 AM
She is disgusting! Bet she cannot even qualify with her weapon. Here is the bet granny come on this blog lets set the location we will use 111th street range, you will shoot the course put the time and date you want I will be there and put up $500.00 cash to police memorial foundation, if you cannot qualify you pay $1,000 and resign immediately how does that sound granny?
Now more on topic granny did you write this? You were thrown out of Seattle and landed here. there is no way your here on your looks, your a washed up old woman who really needs to gtfo! As far as your rumored girlfriend being moved here at taxpayers expense this needs to be investigated. the Trump train will be rolling in soon and praying they gut this city financially and arrest rahm for violating federal law by keeping illegal invader criminals here to do more murder and mayhem.
Lastly FOP is constantly bashed here, but they did a huge thing with the cola for retired look at their website for this thank you Dean and crew:
http://www.chicagofop.org/news/senate-bill-440-passes-the-house
What if a white copper shoots his black partner?
What changes will he make when this is already being taught to new recruits?
This is what Granny does to earn that big salary?
How about Robin Robinson :
Superintendent Eddie Johnson needs all the public relations help he can get as he fights to rebuild the reputation of a department rocked by the Laquan McDonald shooting. So he's turning to veteran newscaster Robin Robinson, who has taken a new job as a $150,000-a Year job.
Haven't seen her either.
Can Granny Kirkpatrick please provide us with a demonstration of appropriate applied force in various situations? I'd love to see how she'd handle wrestling with a mental or fighting with someone high on pcp. Please show us how it's done according to your new rules Granny! You being the expert and all!
Anonymous at 12:39 AM -- You're wrong about the Union League Club. Ask any officer who's worked security there. Most of its members live or work in the city so they've got a vested interest. Some may be rich but so what? At least they put their money where their mouth is. They operate something like 10 Boys and Girls Clubs in the city's worst neighborhoods, trying to help kids whose parent(s) can't or don't. There isn't a cop in the city or a member of the US military who's not welcome there. Good on them.
Anonymous said...
Well in all honesty, Special Ed is right. If the blue shirts aren't giving opinions and our own union isn't doing jack shit about it either, then there is nothing to counter it. Special Ed can simply say he only received maybe 20 complaints out of the 10K coppers and that the union never fought it. So in turn, everyone will cry about the new policy, yet 99% of the department and the union gave zero input on it. People can whine about the corruption all day long , but the fact is, doing nothing about it just gives them a wide open window.
11/30/2016 12:54:00 AM
So, everyone jump on board, list your name or pc number, to make it easier to retaliate against you in the future. GREAT idea!
I remember when Jody and Garrrrrry promised there would be no retaliation after people spoke up at meetings. Then people got dumped, moved and messed with.
GREAT idea.
If you're going to comment on that model, guys, have someone ELSE post it for you or mail it in.
I spent a lot of years on the street. I wish I had special Ed's guidance back then. There are a few bosses I would have been justified in shooting!
I was at the Union Club speech yesterday. SOme audience member called out Special Ed about the policy saying it left POs "damned if they do and damned if they don't." Same guy also asked that since McCompStat left the Department shorthanded by 2500 POs + 1000 POs retiring by June and Tiny Dancer's only hiring 600 over 3 years, why won't we have 4000+ shootings and 700+ murders next year too?
Grannie stumbled stupidly on the first saying "training" will protect POs from getting their a**es handed to them. Special Ed didn't answer the second question. Just kept saying "We've got 12500 sworn officers, maybe 12,200". Sure. Then how did CPD manage to spend $116M on OT?
Pretty obvious no one believed either of them.
Stay fetal. Stay safe.
I read the entire "Use of Force" draft order and can conclude that this order in its entirety, effectively destroys police work as we know it. There is no way that an officer can effectively carry out his/her duties as a police officer while encountering an offender in a deadly force
situation and be in compliance with this order while using deadly force against such an offender due to its ambiguity and vagueness. This order renders all use of deadly force incidents entirely subjective to those in positions of reviewing such uses of force. After 26 years on this job, this order effectively puts a stop to police work as I have known it. I posted similiar commments on website. Sgt Danielson 016....Stay safe.
Dean is silent again, except when it comes to Dean Jr. Please Rahm help my son get promoted. He could never do it on his own! I was told that Dean has an investigation going regarding election materials that he found in the closet from 2 1/2 years ago. Apparently this is more important than speaking up for us. Dean, you have been useless as a president just as you were useless when you scammed disability. We need someone that will speak up for us as president.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC, while everything mentioned here is what some people would call "concerning" in my opinion, there is an even bigger issue that is coming to the forefront of all this. It's scary to watch how all of this is unfolding because of the new rules for investigating fatal police shootings. As we all know, CPD detectives will handle the investigation if the offender survives, if the offender dies IPRA (or COPA?) handles the investigation......
To this point, IPRA has been undertrained, inexperienced, and completely in over their heads conducting complex and life-altering investigations. Without getting into particulars, let's just say that they are apparently leaving a lot of stones unturned- even after being guided to the stones. I am hoping that is possibly more ignorance than intentional axe-grinding? But it shouldn't be either! The "I" in IPRA stands for independent. If they are not doggedly seeking the truth- whichever way it takes them, that's bullshit. If the facts don't jive with the agenda you are pushing, you don't just get to conduct a shoddy investigation simply to appease the squeaky wheel.
THAT is something we need to stay on top of- are they doing everything they can to ensure a thorough investigation?
And who is providing oversight for THEM?
Regardless, Sgt P. keep your head up. You are a gentleman and a good copper. Hang tough, and lean on your friends if you need anything!
You are right about having oversight over IPRA or COPA or whoever investigates fatal police shootings. We should by know be well aware that the aim of IPRA and COPA is not to conduct an independent investigation necessarily but to particularly focus on what they may deem "police misconduct." With the arrival of an IPRA friendly ASA whose aim is to "reign in" and whenever possible indict the police, I would suggest that a FOP and PBPA conduct their own investigation if possible or at the very least send investigators to ensure that the on scene investigation is conducted in a professional and impartial manner.
I have seen officers punished at police board hearings for failing to take action to stop their partners from committing actions which were deemed wrong by the board. This only clarifies what they are doing. This is the next logical step.
New guys....You're in for a bumpy 20 year ride. Hope you can hang on.
Wow! You're going to shoot your partner now? He may be saving YOUR life! This is insanity at its finest and I'm sure they all supported Hillary.
Kind of funny that all the leaders march to Hillary's drum while the troops support Trump.
Seems like Chicongo's murder rate could be reduced to a fraction of what it is, if democrats were prohibited from owning firearms. (Democrats and diversity.)
J.J.
I can't imagine the level of frustration and despair felt by officers (those on the front line, not corrupt, inept bosses) serving in the CPD. It seems collective madness is the order of the day. The feds have been in town how long, and no impact nor opinion on the shite show? The inmates are running the asylum! Stay safe. You are appreciated by law abiding citizens!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not sure if you guys have seen that viral video of the murder at 63/Ashland, but it raises a good question or two....
I have rarely seen an act of such a brutal nature- I've been on the job a while, and been around the block, and this video made even me a bit squeamish. We deal with the worst of the worst quite often, but sometimes you forget just how bad the worst can be.
To bludgeon a man's head with a blunt object like that was dusturbing.
Now, if a beat car rounded the corner and saw the first stone or 2, obviously we know deadly force is authorized.....However, how many coppers would actually pull the trigger? And if they did- what would the department's reaction be? I'm sure the headlines would read "Cop shoots man for liquor bottle." Seems like a lot of people online are placing the police at blame for not being around. Or mental health facilities for closing. Or anything and everything but PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Why not just place the blame where the blame belongs.....I dunno. Maybe it's just me.
11/30/2016 01:51:00 AM
How bout posting a link ?
First Granny kirkpatrick is not a police officer and she disrespects our uniform by wearing it. She is a civilian and dishonors our fallen brothers and sisters. It shows she is lacking upstairs. What is she thinking?
With that being said, does this mean either of these two will intervene and take action against those who participated in misconduct while cheating to get promoted.
Fuck off you hypocrites.
Can't wait until the future when we have the body cam connected to our holster to release gun only if body cam thinks use of force is allowed then it will release lock on holster and you can remove your gun and stop the threat..
Can't I just shoot to wound my partner in the leg?? Perhaps shoot the gun out of his hand??
Anonymous said...
OT Warning to all retirees who are being dropped from the City's health care. The two plans that the city is pushing and the plan the FOP is pushing may be not be enough coverage for you. Check out any health care broker, there are tons in the phone book or on line. They do not charge you for an appointment nor are you obligated to get a plan from them. Have them compare the plans I just mentioned to what is out there. There are numerous health insurance companies and all kinds of plans in each company. You may be surprised to find you can get better coverage for less than the above plans. Check out a few brokers. I got a plan from BCBS with more coverage.
11/30/2016 01:23:00 AM
Bullshit the city's shit is 47 am month more for the same coverage but with less brand named drugs covered. With my wife's drug it woul cost me 6400 more a year.
“I have to emphasize that if you don’t comment on it — and you don’t look at it, and you don’t comment on it — then don’t be upset with the policy that’s put in place because you didn’t help craft it,”
This is just the "Delphi Technique" again. "A way of achieving a predetermined result while leaving people feeling that they had a part in it." Look it up.
Every time they decide to eliminate a bus route, or decide to rip down a neighborhood for some stupid project, they have a "series of meetings for public comment," a "60-day period to submit input."
Then -- having wasted your time and energy -- they go right ahead and do what they had already decided to do.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent cola just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
11/30/2016 03:11:00 AM
1. You are not fucked if born after 67. The reason it’s only funded in 5 year increments is because the bonding house will lower the City’s bond rating a tic if we make it permanent. There is no designated funding source for it. Thus the legislature will only pass it in 5 year increments. This time it was done for 10 years because Donahue dropped the ball 6 years ago. The process in back in motion for it to be done every five years. But you better have a labor friendly Governor in Springfield.
2. As far as the cola is concerned we are in the upper third of police agencies. Yes, many teacher unions have a compounded cola. But as far as police department’s go most if they have a cola are tied to the cost of living index. Most are not compounded but there are a few. Remember that the cost of living index does not include food or gasoline. Thus the democrats can create a false narrative of the economy. For Chicago the last 3 years has been 1.5, .5, and 1.7
Thus I rate your post 2 out of 5 Pinocchio’s given you are just uninformed.
A blast from the past
http://freeingjohnsinclair.aadl.org/node/202376
Wonder if the Gen Order was written in the spirit of the liberal and shackled Spokane Wash PD ?
General Orders have three purposes: testing for promotion, appeasing rev'runs and firing.
They do not apply to the connected and are manipulated and generalized to suit the accused.
If you fear violating General Orders, or feel your participation in ghetto affairs may lead you down the path of lawsuit, suspension or dismissal, then don't allow yourself to be in a ghetto situation.
If the thugs want shoot one another (for no reason) it's not your problem and if you present yourself to be the societal bad guy, then be prepared when entering the agreement your mayor and obama made with the community.
If you can't Stay Fetal, then you are not being the Police that your mayor wants.
If you need the benefits of a watch, partner, district, etc. then be prepared...for what your mayor wants.
There's no guarantee (in Chicago) that our New USDOJ will have any effect on city criminals and no rules for the mayor, county board or sheriff to make the city safe from the lawless by mandatory sentencing or jail time.
The city is gone and the 1st and 16th are what your priority should be.
Stay Fetal.
I'm getting paid a lot of money to do absolutely
Nothing
The FOP is our membership's mouthpiece. They should come up with a plan and present on behalf of membership.
Why isn't the FLOP offering to submit officer comments under their name?
Would you really want to comment if you aren't one of the connected and clouted clowns?
11/30/2016 01:16:00 AM
Holy cow, Nancy, grow a pair and comment if you want. Do you hide behind your wife too?
You guys don't get it.. Special Ed there only for Rahmobama to get black votes in 2018..Working Police ? kiss it .. the more Rahm fucks you all,better his standing with them folks in 07 ,11 ,03
Special Ed will give away everything for his boss
Be careful out there on the Street ,cover you back, Special Ed will Not
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent cola just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
This will be readdressed as time goes on. Right now everyone born after Dec 31, 1954 go t nothing. It had not been adjusted since 2004. The legislation is just catching up. But be aware of the need to push this issue again in 4 years
"That" community did it!!! Congrats on 80 homicides in November, we knew you could do it.
Big problem when you have people who have never been the police creating a policy that is fair, effective and comprehensive. Like asking the average citizen to come up with a policy and procedure to execute a warrant on an active Red Phosphorous bobby trapped Clan Lab. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone and can't get out.
The proposed use of force order requires a supervisor to be onscene for a taser deployment. In-service taser training includes a manufacturer's disclaimer stating not to deploy if subject has mental health issues or is intoxicated on drugs or alcohol. Can we just get this over with and tase the crap out of everyone at 3510 S. Michigan?
Are Chicago Police officers lives less important than State and/or Federal law enforcement officers? guideline?
Why is there a different USE OF FORCE guideline for Shitcago?
Over Obama's objection, Congress agrees on a bigger military pay raise, more troops
By: Leo Shane III, Military Times, November 29, 2016 (Photo Credit: Staff Sgt. Ange Desinor/Army)
Military personnel would see a 2.1 percent pay raise starting in January and a significant manpower boost within the Army, Air Force and Marine Corps as part of Congress' annual defense spending bill unveiled Tuesday.
hey bo a big f-ckyou
So if someone saw someone else cheating on a test , let's say a lieutenant test, should that person stop it? Or how about report it?
bill sb 440 needs to be amended!EVERY POLICE OFFICER DESERVES A 3% raise every year regardless of age if he is eligible for retirement!sounds like age discrimination!TIME TO GET THE LAWYERS INVOLVED AND GET THIS STRAIGHT FOP!
Do t shoot your partner, first try to de- escalate, then if necessary, taser. Then fill out TRR.
I seriously hope this is a joke. Is this a posting out of the Onion or something?
I hope everyone hears the message loud and clear. If not, spread the word! Until things change, if at all, we have to adapt. The previous comments were precise in that the current leaders at the podium do not command respect. It's embarrassing. Furthermore, do your job, answer calls and back each other up. If someone runs and makes good his escape, oh well. I'm not second guessing anyone and I do feel for those getting put through much grief. They did their job and the results were beyond thankless. This is the unfortunate era that we are in. What used to be a heroic act deserving of an award will now result in being jammed up and possible termination and/or prosecution. The writing is on the wall, please heed the message. It's not about being lazy or a dog. The city, the department, the liberals, the MSM and the entitlement leaching segment of society have wanted the city this way so we should oblige them. Soon many will fall victim and shed tears while longing for the police to restore order. By then it will possibly be too late and that is what they get.
Saw the same news broadcast. In this WHOLE department there wasn't a female (or a male) from our own department who couldn't fill that spot? Giltmeier? Martin? Just to name a few. Oh that's right, she was given that position because she's a "yes" person.
The Fucked Up Merit system FAILS again!!
It turns out the sergeant who was in the questionable shooting (as well as another in 018) was just promoted 1 February by NONE OTHER than the 1st Deputy Superintendent Keven NAVARRO.
HEY FEDS !!!
Are Paying attention to this?
Everyone I know understands the message TO STAY FETAL!!
Any Doubt about the corrupt system?
Look at the bozo merit promotions and see who made them. (see page 6)
https://www.scribd.com/doc/316091885/A-breakdown-of-Chicago-Police-Department-promotions
Shoot your partner?
Is that still IOD?
In my 25 years on CPD I have NEVER witnessed one time when any boss asked for input and actually implemented a single idea. Don't waste your time. This tactic is employed by a lot of alderman too.
Step 1 - hold a public forum. Step 2 - go and listen (or usually just send some lackey to go, after all you're the alderman, you're much too important to waste your time attending). Step 3 - do what you were going to do anyway but now you can say you held a public forum. The good ones will also send someone to the meeting to suggest the very thing they want to do so they can then say it was the community that wanted it. It's Chicago and it'll never change.
Respond safely to your jobs and handle them carefully and methodically. Do not take any action unless you have a strong legal justification. If there is any doubt do not take action. All your good intentions will mean nothing to our supt or the public. Discuss things with your partner ahead of time so you're both on the same page. Don't be a cowboy.
Why has the FOP not had a march on 35th for no confidence on this disaster of a Supe? Cheater, fool and back stabber.
All the exempts hate her, they realize she is a plant and they purposely tell give her wrong times and locations on the meetings, all so she misses them. It is almost funny to watch, she is clueless. Hey Granny if you are reading this the joke is on you, no one wants you here and no one respects your opinion, including the white shirts that you work amongst. Go back to Starbucksville, Wa.
Bad enough I have to keep my head on a swivel. Now I have to watch my back in the squad. Well f**k you Ed, f**k you Granny. To my partners. You go, I go. Whatever that may be. I WILL NEVER HURT MY PARTNERS.
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent colha just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
Glad I'm a old bitch 1961
Anonymous said...
Where is the fop on any of these police shootings that occurred in the last week. I fucking hate our union do nothings. They should be on camera everyday talking the Chicago police department up and how great of a job we are doing. You never hear from them anymore it's sad.
11/29/2016 05:39:00 PM
You do have the meeting schedule,right? Let them hear from you.
Who gives a fuck about the fucking meetings get your asses out there in front of the camera and start defending these coppers!!
Don't care enough to comment, don't plan on doing anything anyway. If I get into something, I'll sue the city for emotional distress. If that cunt spalding gets a million because they dumped her ass and hurt her feelings, I should be able to cash in. Just claim code of silence and ask to depose the ballerina, settlement city!!!
Off Topic...
I am retired but I hated this time of year because of SNOW TOWS. It is just a greedy money grab by Shortshanks and his Thieves and is carried on by Rahm.
On the other hand I got a lot citizens who said, "Thank-you Officer." when I warned them in time to keep their cars from getting towed.
I loved fighting against the Evil of Shortshanks!
Also....
President-elect Donald Trump is to visit Chicago tomorrow on his Thank-you America Tour. His election is the best thing that happened to us since the invention of Kevlar body armor. We have a whole wish list for him. So if you are working anywhere around his visit take that responsibility very seriously. Keep you eyes moving on the crowd.
And keep a BIG HAPPY SMILE :-) on your face.
It will drive those demonstrators nuts :~(
My God, these people are imbeciles. I'm not LE but I've witnessed the explosive growth of political correctness industry. The company I worked at was drowning in this bullshit. The craziest people embrace nonsense and are then viewed as authorities. Bombastic Bullshit
How about Bullwinkle demolishing the jail. The crafty witch will cry there's nowhere to put the little scamps. Then she'll export them to somewhere she hates, white areas.
Granny Clampett. And ole granny has the nerve to wear our CPD UNIFORM? That old thang was NEVER the Police. Fuck her. You fuck her-not me. What a fuckin disgrace to me and my Brothers and Sisters in BLUE!
If you as Superintendent don't comment on this ridiculous policy change to appease activists, BLM/Black Panthers, and Police /Gov't haters Do Not complain when i do nothing. By Nothing I mean absolutely Nothing! The only job i would ride on is a 10-1. Stay Fetal can be brought to a whole new level if you Fuckheads at the tower don't grow a pair.
Anonymous said...
Well in all honesty, Special Ed is right. If the blue shirts aren't giving opinions and our own union isn't doing jack shit about it either, then there is nothing to counter it. Special Ed can simply say he only received maybe 20 complaints out of the 10K coppers and that the union never fought it. So in turn, everyone will cry about the new policy, yet 99% of the department and the union gave zero input on it. People can whine about the corruption all day long , but the fact is, doing nothing about it just gives them a wide open window.
All a ploy to put in whatever they want. The game is fixed by City Hall. I don't believe it would do any good, but if the FOP put out some ideas for me to copy/paste as suggestions , I would.
Front page of the scum times today.... Wow
"Anonymous said...
In my 25 years on CPD I have NEVER witnessed one time when any boss asked for input and actually implemented a single idea. Don't waste your time. This tactic is employed by a lot of alderman too. ..."
Well I have. Back in the Harold Washington days they had a Pride in Excellence Program and asked for Ideas. I submitted one and got an awards pin, a citation signed by the Mayor and a check for $100.
No biggie. If you get a Daily Bulletin and see the Court Keys printed at the top. That was it, and it didn't cost any money.
Other ideas, if they cost money or nudged entrenched people out of their spots, never gonna happen. There were plenty of those too.
Anonymous said...
bill sb 440 needs to be amended!EVERY POLICE OFFICER DESERVES A 3% raise every year regardless of age if he is eligible for retirement!sounds like age discrimination!TIME TO GET THE LAWYERS INVOLVED AND GET THIS STRAIGHT FOP!
11/30/2016 01:47:00 PM
Stop whining, did you tell mommy what happened? how angry you are? how much you deserve it? Don't worry child as you grow up and get bigger you will get some more money also! Thanks to fop for getting this done!
That old "if you don't vote, don't complain" does not work anymore. The Democrats picked Hillary to run for President, not the voters, so that is why she lost. The voters had no choice in the matter, either vote for an unqualified Democrat or a racist Trump. So, voters who did not vote have every right to complain.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Special ED is WAY over his head.
He is used to stealing ideas from his clouted minions. If WEZZIE is such a scholar and all those characters from NOBLE score so well put them all on a committee.
The last few few batches of laughable promotion list were loaded with clownish
merits with little value.
So if the Head of one of the largest police department is not capable of actually creating something from scratch with armies of city lawyers and whites shirt is he overpaid?
Did he go to the academy and ask all those high end teacher of recruits what they think? (they do look spiffy clean shaven).
Did he call in anyone from from the range (gun nuts) and ask basic question?
Did he ask any of those white shirt lawyers whose college was paid in full by the City to do any law research regarding the use of force?
NO...
but some ass hat that passes out paper awards to exempts who don't make arrest at HQ goes against general orders and writes an order saying you can't go to an award ceremony with a beard even with medical clearance.(ever wonder why exempts put themselves in for awards)
brilliant.
11/30/2016 06:54:00 AM
I'd call Wheezie a box of rocks but that's an insult to the boxes of rocks .
Seriously she's got no common sense and no police experience..... but Eddie made her a Lie-Tenant.
You have a department run by political favorites and appointees who haven't made a traffic stop, arrested, fought, wrestled, chased, or otherwise cuffed and detained, then processed anyone in years.
But, of course, they will tell you how it's done and lecture, discipline, and move to separate you when they find it's the best thing to do when the news or politics of the day makes things uncomfortable for them and stands in the way of their next brown nose opportunity/promotion.
I absolutely get it. Don't do a damn thing.
11/30/2016 08:29:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
BACK OF THE YARDS — After a pair of gang shootings in the 15th Ward erupted minutes apart Monday night and left two dead, Ald. Raymond Lopez (15th) called on the Chicago Police Department to be more aggressive in its crackdown on gang violence.
"The department needs to go from passively engaging these individuals to aggressively going after them," Lopez said. "These are the same individuals who are routinely at the center of these conflicts. We have to rout them out and remove them from our communities. My residents simply can't take it anymore."
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Hasn't someone clued this IDIOT in yet that the CPD has been de-balled and this is the CPD you stupid fucks have been asking for so DEAL WITH IT
11/30/2016 08:32:00 AM
Is this goof that clueless?
The aggressive policing train left the station awhile ago thanks to the pussy alderthieves, Rahm the weasel, Fr. Phaker, BLM etc.
That train isn't coming back anytime soon either.
Hey Lopez: reap what Rahm and you alder creatures sow.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
bill sb 440 needs to be amended!EVERY POLICE OFFICER DESERVES A 3% raise every year regardless of age if he is eligible for retirement!sounds like age discrimination!TIME TO GET THE LAWYERS INVOLVED AND GET THIS STRAIGHT FOP!
WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
How old are you? If you were born after 1966 you're not even 50 yet. If you're not 50 yet how much time can you possibly have on
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So if someone saw someone else cheating on a test , let's say a lieutenant test, should that person stop it? Or how about report it?
11/30/2016 01:05:00 PM
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I think you'd be justified in shooting that person in this instance too!
I say fuck this job and administration!
I'm a R.O.D. (Retired On Duty)
A big fuck you to those that don't like it!
Da Pelon
Granny is not a leader. During the Cubs World Series granny had us all lined up in the street and my Sgt's lined up with us. She went over to him and told him he did not have to stand with the troops. Good leader, leads from in front not in the rear. This leadershit at 35th street allowed to step down they are the cause of all the city's problems
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You have a department run by political favorites and appointees who haven't made a traffic stop, arrested, fought, wrestled, chased, or otherwise cuffed and detained, then processed anyone in years.
But, of course, they will tell you how it's done and lecture, discipline, and move to separate you when they find it's the best thing to do when the news or politics of the day makes things uncomfortable for them and stands in the way of their next brown nose opportunity/promotion.
I absolutely get it. Don't do a damn thing.
100% dead on
To the poster who said your not 50 yet how much time can you have on? I came on this job when I was 22 and I will be 49 soon.. so fuck you! I have 27 yrs on and want to leave at 50!
Thank God I'm Retire.
God Bless our Men and Women in Blue, where ever they might be.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: SB440 passes and now cutoff for 3 percent pension cola will be 1966, up from 1955. Great job fop!!! Now a guy born in 1967, and all those after, will get fucked!!! A guy born in '67 and retiring at age 50 gets no cola until age 60, and then it's 1.5%. The guy born a year earlier who retires at 50 gets a 3 percent cola every year starting at age 51, and will increase his pension by 30 percent by the time he's 60. How about everyone receives a 3 percent cola just like every other police agency in Illinois. We do suck as far as pensions go. Largest agency in Illinois, but the worst cola increases!!!
11/30/2016 03:11:00 AM
I never understood the use of birth years for this? Why can't they just have it based on age? It has to work to their benifit or it would have been written better when first enacted...
11/30/2016 08:53:00 AM
Is this for real??????
So will it be called in as a 10-1 or a 10-2? Good grief. What a bunch of left wing nut jobs. Fuck them. MAGA.
But by all means no car chases. You are being stripped of your policing powers that come with that badge. Rham is melting that city into doom.
I commented, for what it may be worth, saying that I think it's a step away from the solution. New York established a monopoly on violence, and they can now afford to be less aggressive. This won't work in Chicago.
I would recommend others comment as well, soberly, not with anger or sarcasm, but speaking to the problems you believe it will create.
The good old Daily Bulletin wood be weeping right now. Man this use to be a great department to work for. Look at it now. To Serve and Protect was the way it was done day after day. The lawmen were able to do their job and brother did they ever do it. Its gone. Its all gone. The work they did as coppers was all for nothing. This is what Rham has brought us to.
"Well I have. Back in the Harold Washington days they had a Pride in Excellence Program and asked for Ideas. I submitted one and got an awards pin, a citation signed by the Mayor and a check for $100."
I was in high school when Harold Washington was mayor but good for you. BTW - What was your idea?
This is some fucked up shit. Im glad I left Illinois.
Granny go back to California! work for the Democratic Party Nancy Pelosi, you loser!
Rahm! Go With Her! Both of you, are losers!
Go Trump!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
bill sb 440 needs to be amended!EVERY POLICE OFFICER DESERVES A 3% raise every year regardless of age if he is eligible for retirement!sounds like age discrimination!TIME TO GET THE LAWYERS INVOLVED AND GET THIS STRAIGHT FOP!
SB 440 is now a law. You, thinking that you deserve a 3% raise every year is part of negotiations and what winds up in the contract.
What would amending the law have to do with what you make each year?
Where is your union voice leadership relating to this! Do you pay union dues to cowards? Man if I was a Chicago cop I would be fucking pissed off beyond belief.
Follow state law regarding the use of deadly force
Have every person take a test in 8th grade , if you threaten a police officer. Attempt to disarm a police officer you may have an appointment and free medical exam at the cook county medical examiners office
Dont chase anyone. On foot or mobile. Let them do what they do. Let them kill each other. Let it get so bad that Trump will fight back with a plan to go full combat mode. For now as lawmen you ran out of options. They are protecting the hate the evil the scum that that city has become.
Up here in Cripple Creek we are all armed. To the teeth. With communication systems. Fuel. Good tires on our trucks. Water. The Bible we carry everyday. Leave that evil land. Survive.
So if your partner is several feet away and his/her point of view of the threat is different? Who comes up with this shit?! What a bunch of handjobs!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
bill sb 440 needs to be amended!EVERY POLICE OFFICER DESERVES A 3% raise every year regardless of age if he is eligible for retirement!sounds like age discrimination!TIME TO GET THE LAWYERS INVOLVED AND GET THIS STRAIGHT FOP!
WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
How old are you? If you were born after 1966 you're not even which 50 yet. If you're not 50 yet how much time can you possibly have on
Well Jackass I was born in 1967 and came on in 1991 which puts me at 25 years going on 26 years pushing a beat car which gives me the right to bitch.
You really sound and probably are a one way ass.
The hf radios and solar panels will fail because of low sun spot activity.
Anonymous said...
Front page of the scum times today.... Wow
11/30/2016 07:07:00 PM
A lot of Rahm's bullshit first sees the light of day
in the scum-times...
They have no comments section so that blow-back
from even passingly reasonable people won't ever
be logged.
Get it?
Got it?
Good!
Now...
On with the shit-show.
I read the entire "Use of Force" draft order and can conclude that this order in its entirety, effectively destroys police work as we know it. There is no way that an officer can effectively carry out his/her duties as a police officer while encountering an offender in a deadly force
situation and be in compliance with this order while using deadly force against such an offender due to its ambiguity and vagueness. This order renders all use of deadly force incidents entirely subjective to those in positions of reviewing such uses of force. After 26 years on this job, this order effectively puts a stop to police work as I have known it. I posted similiar commments on website. Sgt Danielson 016....Stay safe.
Sgt you sound like a great boss and have the backs of your guys.
Time to bid to 016
Is this a joke about stripping 100 officers on 06dec? I want to say it's SCC humor but this sounds like something Eddie the fat stripper would do.
This is why I'm 99.
I read the entire "Use of Force" draft order and can conclude that this order in its entirety, effectively destroys police work as we know it. There is no way that an officer can effectively carry out his/her duties as a police officer while encountering an offender in a deadly force
situation and be in compliance with this order while using deadly force against such an offender due to its ambiguity and vagueness. This order renders all use of deadly force incidents entirely subjective to those in positions of reviewing such uses of force. After 26 years on this job, this order effectively puts a stop to police work as I have known it. I posted similiar commments on website. Sgt Danielson 016....Stay safe.
Couldn't have said it better. Thx
The use of deadly force is an instant split decision you idiots, it's not something we talk about over lunch and debate before pulling a trigger, wtf are we dealing with , this is leadership?
This is why I'm 99.
12/01/2016 03:31:00 AM
That ain't going to matter when some tactical warrior with 1.5 years on rides on your call and sees you struggling with an offender. He'll monitor the situation with his body cam and when you use too much force, he'll help the criminal. You're screwed whether you're 99 or not on this department. It's a brave new world boys and girls!
>>>Anonymous said...
"Well I have. Back in the Harold Washington days they had a Pride in Excellence Program and asked for Ideas. I submitted one and got an awards pin, a citation signed by the Mayor and a check for $100."
I was in high school when Harold Washington was mayor but good for you. BTW - What was your idea?
11/30/2016 09:59:00 PM<<< You must be Detective Material
"...No biggie. If you get a Daily Bulletin and see>>>
>>> the Court Keys printed at the top. <<<<That was it, and it didn't cost any money. "
But does anyone see a Daily Bulletin anymore?
Its bad enough when you have three other coppers with their finger up their ass while your trying to arrest someone but now your going to have some of these dimwits and pussies they hire actually laying hands on YOU so you have to fight, not just the bad guy, but the other fucking cops? Is this Grannys doing?
Not that I give a fuck. Im so close to retirement I can hear the pipe band. And with that sweeeeet 3% cola you young suckers out risking your ass's will never see.
Thank God I saw the light and stopped with this real Police shit.
Well Jackass I was born in 1967 and came on in 1991 which puts me at 25 years going on 26 years pushing a beat car which gives me the right to bitch.
You really sound and probably are a one way ass.
Hahahahahaha.
Yeah. I'll be one-way-assin' my way to 3% compounded starting at 55.
Enjoy your, what is it? 1.5 % .....when your sixty!
Didn't she come from Spokane ? What's their Use of Force model....
Is it the same drivel?
Just axin
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is why I'm 99.
12/01/2016 03:31:00 AM
That doesn't mean anything. Are you saying that you are never on a job where there are other officers on the scene?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
bill sb 440 needs to be amended!EVERY POLICE OFFICER DESERVES A 3% raise every year regardless of age if he is eligible for retirement!sounds like age discrimination!TIME TO GET THE LAWYERS INVOLVED AND GET THIS STRAIGHT FOP!
WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
How old are you? If you were born after 1966 you're not even which 50 yet. If you're not 50 yet how much time can you possibly have on
Well Jackass I was born in 1967 and came on in 1991 which puts me at 25 years going on 26 years pushing a beat car which gives me the right to bitch.
You really sound and probably are a one way ass.
11/30/2016 11:22:00 PM
How about congratulating FOP on this win, you will get your turn stop whining like a little 2nd grade school girl,have mommy wipe your nose, how is mommies basement cozy?
Anonymous said...
But by all means no car chases. You are being stripped of your policing powers that come with that badge. Rham is melting that city into doom
A big fuckk you to all the security personnel working with rahm
FYI It is SB444. The Illinois legislature has moved the 3% age up ten years several times in the past. This bill was written in the same manner as the previous bills so it came in 10 year increments. Just a few issues to clarify. The FOP and the PBPA were all in Springfield pushing for this bill as well as pushing to override the governor's amendatory veto of the 3% COLA section of the bill. They were successful. As to you people who are 50, the COLA doesn't kick in until you reach age 60, so you have 10 years to have your legislators introduce and pass another bill to increase the COLA. Let your legislators know this is important to you. And when there is an uptick in the economy and pension issues are not in the forefront of every liberal agenda that might be the time to introduce a bill to permanently correct this. Too much public opposition and outcry makes the passage of this type of legislation a tough road to hoe.
11/30/2016 03:11:00 AM
I never understood the use of birth years for this? Why can't they just have it based on age? It has to work to their benifit or it would have been written better when first enacted...
Wtf?
One night many years ago - I was 99 and pulled up on a disturbance. Responding backup went about five feet to my left and was observing one of the two combatants. He asked me afterwards if I knew the person he was watching had a gun in her waistband? I never saw it as I was between them and gun side not visible.
Guess if he (backup officer) would have pulled his weapon I would have to shoot him since I didn't observe a 'deadly force" situation??????
Granny is the next superintendent, before the end of the year
Well Jackass I was born in 1967 and came on in 1991 which puts me at 25 years going on 26 years pushing a beat car which gives me the right to bitch.
You really sound and probably are a one way ass.
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That makes you only 49 kid.
SB 440 does not start paying you the 3% COLA until you turn AGE 60. (in the year 2027 for you.)
Slow down and WAIT like the rest of us did.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Well in all honesty, Special Ed is right. If the blue shirts aren't giving opinions and our own union isn't doing jack shit about it either, then there is nothing to counter it. Special Ed can simply say he only received maybe 20 complaints out of the 10K coppers and that the union never fought it. So in turn, everyone will cry about the new policy, yet 99% of the department and the union gave zero input on it. People can whine about the corruption all day long , but the fact is, doing nothing about it just gives them a wide open window.
11/30/2016 07:04:00 PM
If Ed received 10,000 complaints,he would say he received 20.
Get it?
Eddie the stripper sounded extremely condescending when he told the media we have this little thing called the Constitution
We can't do anything until after someone comits a crime he tells the media. Eddie how about you change official department policy to having the police sit in the station like the firemen until a call comes out .........
SCC why doesn't a march on city take place? How much more can we take from this ungrateful city?
Well 3% cola at 60 bests 1.5% cola at 60 .
I think youse guys need to have a Beer Summit with Obama, Rev Sharp, SpEd Johnson. The community, Grandma, Boo, and LiL Cuz before pulling the trigger. Oh and I forgot send a registered letter in triplicate!
Smart ass (non commie) Teacher
How old are you? If you were born after 1966 you're not even 50 yet. If you're not 50 yet how much time can you possibly have on
11/30/2016 07:58:00 PM
I'm going to help you with this second grade math because I feel sorry for you. If someone born in 1967 came on this job when they were 21, they would currently have 28 years on the job. I was born in 72 myself and I currently have 21 years on the job. How old was I when I came on the job? I know those word problems in math class probably weren't your strong suit but I have faith that you can come up with the answer if you try real hard!
I did respond. I recommended that any civilian sitting a board that decides whether or not force-and how much force-should be used, needs to have been trained properly. They need to take the same classes on the Use of Force paradigm that recruits do, take shoot/don't classes annually, participate in real time exercises at the academy (think psych work shop), pass the State deadly force test, and maybe routinely ride will officers to see what really happens on the street in some districts.. If they are going to decide they fate of a police officer who used force, they need to also have the same training in order to truly make an impartial judgement. I closed my comment with, "I hope all supervisors in the department would demand the same."
Stay Safe
RH
NO...
but some ass hat that passes out paper awards to exempts who don't make arrest at HQ goes against general orders and writes an order saying you can't go to an award ceremony with a beard even with medical clearance.(ever wonder why exempts put themselves in for awards)
brilliant.
11/30/2016 06:54:00 AM
You have some points, but the beard shit has gotten ridiculous.
Way too many people with beards and that don't conform with the GO.
I never understood the use of birth years for this?
Why can't they just have it based on age?
It has to work to their benefit or it would have been written better when first enacted...
Wtf?
12/01/2016 12:37:00 PM
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Because ones age CHANGES every year ya dumb ass.
Yeah. I'll be one-way-assin' my way to 3% compounded starting at 55.
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WRONG.
You receive the 3% COLA when you turn age 60 THEN it is NON-Compounded for the rest of your life.
WRONG.
You receive the 3% COLA when you turn age 60 THEN it is NON-Compounded for the rest of your life.
No. You're WRONG. Read the bill. Page 10 line 10. And you get 3% added to your pension each year. You call it whatever you want.
It's ducking amazing. Are you that guy that thinks because HE TALKS THE LOUDEST HE MUST BE RIGHT?
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