Unsafe? These are Perfectly Safe
- A top mayoral aide on Thursday acknowledged a problem that Chicago Police officers have been beefing about for months: a shortage of police vehicles that can only be solved with more frequent purchases.
“There was not an investment for a while, so the overall number went down. Then, with special [overtime] deployments, that takes reserves from the fleet. So, the number of pool vehicles is down,” Fleet and Facilities Management Commissioner David Reynolds said Thursday after testifying at City Council budget hearings.
“I acknowledge that we could use more vehicles in our pool fleet. [But], I can say with confidence that we would never put an officer in a vehicle that wasn’t safe.”
Really? We're waiting for the day that someone (or a couple someones) downs every single car they're given for one reason or another, and eventually head out to answer calls on foot or by bus. It would be entertaining to say the least. In the meantime, we'll post decent photos of unsafe vehicles if you send them.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
78 Comments:
A lot of man hours being wasted waiting for vehicles at shift change,
These people are smoking dope. There are cars I wouldn't let an offender drive.
If you're always working 99 then you don't need the passenger side door to actually open and close.
WRT: Officer Safety.
Sacramento-Area Cop Shooting Suspect Had Already Been Deported -- Twice!
Marcelo Marquez allegedly shot and killed a Sacramento County Sheriff's Deputy and a Placer County Sheriff's Deputy, and also allegedly shot and wounded a second Placer County deputy and a civilian on Friday. On Saturday, authorities revealed that the suspect -- real name, Luis Enrique Monroy-Bracamonte -- had already been deported twice from the United States
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/10/25/Sacramento-Area-Cop-Killer-Had-Already-Been-Deported-Twice
THANKS OBAMA, Rahm, Quinn, etc.. they are all cut from the same cloth,
It's election time. What you gonna do about it?
An idiot lieutenant assigned me to take out a an unsafe vehicle and right after roll call I headed for the area garage at 111th (but not before getting my breakfast):)
If the cars are not safe, you are risking your life. Down the car.
How many officers are injured in car accidents?
How many of the accidents could be prevented with decent cars?
Decent brakes?
Decent shocks?
Decent tires?
What is your health worth?
Nothing to worry about. They totally intend to buy more vehicles. They have to, it is in the contract. Well, they don't have to buy them, just, uh, intend on buying them i guess. But that's something right?
"Unsafe" is such a subjective term. What a man might consider unsafe, some fool might think is safe enough.
N.Y. and N.J. say they will require Ebola quarantines
So if you're a healthcare worker you fly into Chicago then so you don't have to put up with the Obama FEMA death camps, right?
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Tested Negative for Ebola, Nurse Criticizes Her Quarantine
...Friday by the governors of New York and New Jersey. All people entering the United States through Newark Liberty and Kennedy Airports will now be quarantined for 21 days if they had direct contact with Ebola patients in Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone, even if they show no symptoms of infection.
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On Friday night, New Jersey health officials said the nurse had developed a fever after arriving, but on Saturday, they said her blood had tested negative for Ebola. Additional tests will be conducted.
Ms. Hickox disputed that she had had a fever. She wrote that at the airport, a forehead scanner showed her temperature to be 101, but that came after four hours during which she had not been allowed to leave.
“My cheeks were flushed, I was upset at being held with no explanation,” she wrote. “The female officer looked smug. ‘You have a fever now,’ she said.”
She was eventually escorted by eight police cars to University Hospital in Newark and taken to a tent outside the building. An oral thermometer showed her temperature to be 98, she wrote.
She added that the doctor felt her neck and rechecked the temperature. “ ‘There’s no way you have a fever,’ he said. ‘Your face is just flushed.’ ...
more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/nyregion/nurse-in-newark-tests-negative-for-ebola.html?_r=0
BEWARE THE FEVER COPS! /sarc
This pool car I'm currently driving has 121,435 miles on it and all it seems to need is a pair windshield wipers
In 025 (and I'm sure in other districts as well) the tahoe with the least amount of miles is in the 125,000 range. Midnight guys are waiting for over an hour for third watch cars to come in. I'd say there's a shortage of everything at this point.
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This should be fun to watch!! Hanging wires from everywhere, safety dividers broken, no heat, the level of dirt that's in the cars is unreal. I go to work my allergies flare up until I go on vacation and Then they clear up.
Shit...
CPD is where new cars go to die because the chimps working at Fleet and whatever the fuck ten thumbed middleman installer of obsolete equipment will still manage to fuck up perfectly good cars and void warranties by the hundred by haphazardly drilling and cutting/ splicing wires to run CPD mandated equipment that is no longer being serviced...
Waiting to piggy-back another small mid-south Police Dept. on a vehicle equipment purchase to "save money" but paying full boat so some politician or bosshole gets a kickback.
Motherfuckers need to be held at gun-point when bids are submitted because shit has gotten just too fucking hinky.
BTW... Has the city paid Ford yet for those Explorers?
Anything about those 993'd vehicles being given a patch job a put back in service?
You know... That 137k mile POS where you gotta dial in a quarter turn left just to go straight and you got a front shimmy from the car being dropped in these rim warping potholes and you feel the engine squirm under acceleration because half the engine mounts are broken?
Anything about the car Sgt. Haymaker (RIP) was killed
In? Chit-Chat was some department and fleet muckety-mucks got nervous and tried to make
The car disappear.
Didn't 023 member get into bad crash because of rebuilt steering column in the car, on Lake Shore Dr.?
Chicago Police squads are beyond disgusting.
Wires hanging all over the inside of the squad.
Dirty, bed bugs, stinky smelly.
Badly torn seats.
But we don't stick together so nobody will say anything.
90% of the fleet should be junked.
Did his nose grow while giving his testimony?
reynolds is a tree hugger...
he thinks we should all be riding bikes.
there is at least 100 new cars waiting at TRIANGLE
theres a whole scandal waiting to be told
Hey Rahmby, stop burning wood houses that floats on the Chicago River, take the money and buy some new squads - or rival the Detroit Police - 180,000 miles plus on 2003-4 Crown Victoria with non-functioning radio, computers, and broken/missing pieces of interior. Better yet, dispatch thru the cell phones like Detroit. Get your nine and half digits on this now!!!
"In 025 (and I'm sure in other districts as well) the tahoe with the least amount of miles is in the 125,000 range. Midnight guys are waiting for over an hour for third watch cars to come in. I'd say there's a shortage of everything at this point."
Funny that you say that they are waiting on cars. The more accurate statement would be that they are waiting for the perfect car. I can't tell you the number of times I have walk past them and offer them my car on the way in and they decline it. It must be a Tahoe or cageless car for a few to accept. Don't even look in try to offer then a Crown Vic you will be laughed at! Seems like a management issue. Many cars sitting in the lot but supervisor steps up to tell them to take the car they are given and get out there.
Anonymous said...
An idiot lieutenant assigned me to take out a an unsafe vehicle and right after roll call I headed for the area garage at 111th (but not before getting my breakfast):)
10/26/2014 12:42:00 AM
I'm wondering who's the idiot ...
Seatbelt don't work? DOWN IT.
The vehicle code is your friend. Nothing other than a brand new car can pass the inspections for tires etc.......
Not to worry, they are buying more bikes. What was the exact wording in the contract? Would bikes be considered "vehicles"
The spending plan would set aside $2 million for expanding the force of police officers who patrol the city by bicycle from roughly 200 to 400. The money would be used to cover the one-time cost of new bikes, replacement bikes, equipment and more training, which is scheduled to begin next week, according to City Hall spokesman Adam Collins.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/redeye-chicago-doubling-bike-cops-20141015-story.html
If you DO NOT keep downing a vehicle,then the tally of man hours/parts does not go against the vehicle,the more money put into a vehicle the sooner it will be removed from the fleet,otherwise,if an officer get's hurt in a dept vehicle your attorney can prove in a civil case that the vehicle has been down for this and this,so keep downing those cars..
"We're waiting for the day that someone (or a couple someones) downs every single car they're given for one reason or another, and eventually head out to answer calls on foot or by bus." -- SCC
You will be issued a call box key shortly. >grin<
That's bullshit even when I was on the job going back to the early 70's to today they have been fielding unsafe vehicles I had a pool car back in 78-79 that had over 100,000 miles on it it had no siren shitty brakes etc. they [the city] have never considered the officers driving the vehicles as long as I was on the job and I'm still hearing about today that's been 54yrs all tolled this is bullshit good luck guy's ret. cpd.
All the bosses should take hand me down tact cars and let the troops take the new ones.
Then you would see the condition of the fleet improve.
I mean if they are safe enough to use 24/7 on patrol then they should be safe enough for exempt coffee and lunch runs.
According to the new budget CPD will also buy about 200 or so more bicycles to expand the bike units. Maybe by next year Rahm will eliminate cars altogether. We'll all be on bikes. They can buy pedicab types for use as wagons. Then Rahm will also have his wellness program fully integrated because we'll be a pedaling PD throughout the year.
Most apartments in the projects are more sanitary than the inside of most cpd squad cars..loose wire everywhere. ...brakes and alignment aren't the best....the broke ass seats..no wonder why we all have back problems....wipers are horrible. Very unsafe on a rainy day..tires are bald again unsafe...
Yes I also realize that cops are fuckn slobs. ..food cigarettes grease chew wrappers crumbs garbage coffee pop snot chicken bones newspapers etc etc left everywhere. And coppers beat these cars to shit too. At least 75% of these cars in the districts and 95% at vri are death traps.
How can I send a picture of car that doesn't open unless you kick it open. Oh and you have to give it a good shoulder shove to close it. So once I'm in that's it until I get a job.
Several years ago while working in a now closed area I was assigned an unsafe vehicle. The driver's door would stick closed really bad, the steering was horrible ( pulled hard to the left) & an exhaust leak make the interior smell like death chamber.
The sgt said it's yours oh well. I went to the lt. And he said the same thing. I told not to down it because the D unit doesn't get pool cars. I then emailed a detailed description of the issues to both the sgt & Lt. and I stated " as I have previously told you verbally about the vehicle issues I want this email to stand as a dated point of reference in case I'm injured driving.
So, it's emailed and the lt & sgt see it and instantly "big balls" sgt & Lt give me the sgt car. Funny, once there is a document that can tank you- bosses aren't so bad ass.
"Unsafe? These are Perfectly Safe"
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Is it safe?... Is it safe?
You're talking to me?
Is it safe?
Is what safe?
Is it safe?
I don't know what you mean. I can't tell you something's safe or not, unless I know specifically what you're talking about.
Is it safe?
Tell me what the "it" refers to.
Is it safe?
Yes, it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it.
Is it safe?
No. It's not safe, it's... very dangerous, be careful.
Crime is down. It is safe. islam is the religion of peace. The check is in the mail.
I have never driven a Tahoe with less than 160,000 miles.
Between that and coppers hoarding keys it is hard to get a decent car.
Total bullshit...
The best solution is to assign cars to Beats again...
It would work
Now they that they got you idiots to agree that providing safe vehicles is a contractual issue that you give something to get they'll buy some.
Im driving a Tahoe with a bald tire they wont check the condition of our vehicles, So I take it to the shop and tell them I hae a leak and I get a new tire ,Your life rides on your tires.
It's election time. What you gonna do about it?
10/26/2014 12:13:00 AM
Have a beer, take a shit, sleep at VRI, take another shit, dream about my retro check.
They wouldn't put an officer into a car that was unsafe? Then explain to me why every Tahoe I've driven on duty - pool and regular beat car, has an engine which accelerates upon braking when coming to a complete stop? Every single one has done this since I can remember. You consider that safe?
I play "half million". Add odometers of four cars during four consecutive tours of duty...in excess of 500, 000, I buy a lottery ticket. Had a car that couldn't turn right, axle, linkage damaged, sgt asked me to try to turn left three times rather than down the car. Chicago police department, real three stooges material. Fact is, a beat patrolman won't see the new cars, people will hide keys, etc. If necessary. We had a week old car get totaled by someone's inside squeeze, as well, so count on that.
Anonymous said...
In 025 (and I'm sure in other districts as well) the tahoe with the least amount of miles is in the 125,000 range. Midnight guys are waiting for over an hour for third watch cars to come in. I'd say there's a shortage of everything at this point.
10/26/2014 01:33:00 AM
Same in 019. P.O.'s sitting around waiting for a vehicle.
So we don't have enough copper to man the beats and we don't have enough cars to give the coppers.
So who is getting fired for this?
I have refused vehicles on many days. I simply go on the air and let the dispatcher know to hold me down waiting for a safer vehicle. The bosses will never order you to drive an unsafe vehicle.
An idiot lieutenant assigned me to take out a an unsafe vehicle and right after roll call I headed for the area garage at 111th (but not before getting my breakfast):)
10/26/2014 12:42:00 AM
I would've followed the asshats order. I'd buckle up tight and hit the nearest fence, garage etc. and take the winter off IOD. I'd document to anyone and everyone that you brought the unsafe vehicle to asshat Lt.'s attention and he forced you to drive it.
Good thing buying us new vehicles is in the contract.
We all know that Rahm diligently follows contracts and laws.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
An idiot lieutenant assigned me to take out a an unsafe vehicle and right after roll call I headed for the area garage at 111th (but not before getting my breakfast):)
10/26/2014 12:42:00 AM
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You're the dog, as**^le. Your IOD for driving unsafe vehicle and crashing becomes null and void when they show you drove it to breakfast before an assignment, or before going to garage.
Everybody bitching about the union putting vehicles in the contract. Seem's to me that a lot of people are complaining about the state of vehicles on the blog here. Make up your minds.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seatbelt don't work? DOWN IT.
10/26/2014 08:56:00 AM
Well, yeah. Kind of obvious: unsafe and a CR# waiting to happen if you're not wearing a belt.
This has been a problem going back decades, so it is not something new. I recall sending out four men to a car because of shortages or officers waiting in the station for hours trying to get a pool car or using downed special unit cars. A total waste of manpower and no one seems to care.
Officers, I am a retired Sgt. and I never told or made any officer to drive a car that they deemed unsafe, I did have some officers who thought that the police vehicles should be just like their own, meaning that it should ride and handle like their daily driver, well my friends that ain't going to happen, these officers would try and refuse the car, on days and afternoons I would tell them to take it to the garage, if no pool car available. call me and I would pick them up, you don't have to drive an unsafe car, and just because the heater blower motor doesn't work on all the speeds is no reason to down the car that watch. order R service and make them check it and give you a shop order, As for bad tires, don't drive it, take it to area north or A/1 for a new tire, they operate 24 hrs.
As I supervisor I actually try to keep the vehicles running and in good condition. I remind Po's to down cars and call r service they refuse. I remind them to get a car wash. They dont. The majority of problems with vehicles are caused by the Po's by not following the general orders for vehicles. I get the car I use washed at least weekly and as soon as it has a problem I down it. If others did the same most of the vehicles would be in much better condition.
What about these new suv's and cars that the city is buying. A normal person can't even drive those things unless your a small person. Who the hell did they pay to test these fucking vehicles, the driver with full duty gear does not fit in these new vehicles and when you do get in finally you drive with your legs almost to your stomach and your back straight because the seat cannot go further back. Again who the hell passed these pieces of shit, I would rather hoof it to my call, I don't give a rats ass how long it will take me to hoof it to the assign call. But then again nobody gives a fuck, never has there....
I once pulled a car over to tell him he had no brake or taillights, I suggested he get them fixed pronto. He said, "good thing you didn't give me a ticket, you don't have lights in the back either." I looked, even the roof rack brake lights didn't work.
If the car is dirty, get it washed. Go to the wash that cleans the inside as well as the outside. Leave your errands for later. If the vehicle has minor issues, change to CW3 and ask for R service. They'll meet you eventually. If the vehicle is shit, insist that it is downed. When you get fuel, check the fluids. Wipe your hands on the rag, go wash your hands and get back out there. Quit whining about how no one does anything, take the initiative and do it yourself. Of course, these actions involve YOU doing what is necessary.
If the drivers of these vehicles, you, took care of them, they might not be so screwed up. It's your workplace for 9 hours per day. Do you treat your personal vehicles like this? Picking at the steering wheel until the wire is exposed. Hinges bind because no one will get them oiled and they wouldn't be sprung if you didn't kick the fuckers open. Nasty bastards leave shit in the cargo/trunk area from the Home Depot gardening department. Spill liquids and don't wipe it up. Leave an assorted variety of things you eat in the car strewn about like pistachio nuts and chicken bones.
Many of the issues with these vehicles could be remedied if we treated these vehicles nearly as well as our own. They wouldn't be as filthy or nearly as beaten down.
The city allows you to drive a $40,000 vehicle, quit seeing how fast you can demolish it. We're not supposed to be irresponsible, minimum wage nit-wits. I don't care if you hate Rahm, the City, the department, your Sgt, Lt or commander or your alderman, quit destroying our equipment.
I had a juvenile locked in the back seat of a Tahoe for an hour and a half. some electrical problem. mysteriously that curfew slip disappeared. to bad there was a recording of me on city wide requesting "R" service. explaining that it was an emergency as there was a juvenile trapped in the back seat.
Things all went down hill when CPD's budget is dispersed as oemc sees fit. The cars were in better shape when things fell under emmd not fleet mangement. So once again the politicians mismanagement of money caused consolidation and left the bottom rung work feeling the pain.
How about more police officers?!
As I supervisor I actually try to keep the vehicles running and in good condition. I remind Po's to down cars and call r service they refuse. I remind them to get a car wash. They dont. The majority of problems with vehicles are caused by the Po's by not following the general orders for vehicles. I get the car I use washed at least weekly and as soon as it has a problem I down it. If others did the same most of the vehicles would be in much better condition.
Yeah Sarge, 150k on a car and it's the blue shirts that are the problem. You must be a prize to work for.
Officers, I am a retired Sgt. and I never told or made any officer to drive a car that they deemed unsafe, I did have some officers who thought that the police vehicles should be just like their own, meaning that it should ride and handle like their daily driver, well my friends that ain't going to happen, these officers would try and refuse the car, on days and afternoons I would tell them to take it to the garage, if no pool car available. call me and I would pick them up, you don't have to drive an unsafe car, and just because the heater blower motor doesn't work on all the speeds is no reason to down the car that watch. order R service and make them check it and give you a shop order, As for bad tires, don't drive it, take it to area north or A/1 for a new tire, they operate 24 hrs.
Hey there, old timer.....when did you retire? The garage may be open 24 hrs, but they don't change the tires for you. They haven't in years. And when it's 12 degrees out and the heat only blows on full blast or nothing? Yeah, I'm downing it. Go change your diaper.
If they are so safe let the mayor's security detail use the cars for him and his family. Then tell us how safe they are.
Its always someones elses fault isn't it. The steering wheel all cut up, the wires ripped out of the dash or the kick panel, the food all over the floor or seats, no oil or coolant in the motor, the seats cut up, the trunk jammed with crap. All that happens all by itself, right? Reminds me of Sgt. "Jabba de Hut" from 013 days. He actually shit inside the squad and left it for the 3rd watch Sgt. Never said a word. Tried to say he didn't know how it happened. But it did and we all knew it was him.
Yeah Sarge, 150k on a car and it's the blue shirts that are the problem. You must be a prize to work for.
10/26/2014 11:37:00 PM
Yes, and with your attitude you must be a prize to be on the watch and wonderful to every citizen that you meet !
11:40pm. So who changes your tire on your car when you get a flat? Change the tire ya frickin baby. "No ones there to change it for me! Waaaa!"
Hey there, old timer.....when did you retire? The garage may be open 24 hrs, but they don't change the tires for you. They haven't in years. And when it's 12 degrees out and the heat only blows on full blast or nothing? Yeah, I'm downing it. Go change your diaper.
10/26/2014 11:41:00 PM
Yes, it is plain to see why some people make sergeant and others do not.
Dean got you 500 shiny new vehicles. STFU!!
AS a supervisor I actually try to keep the vehicles running and in good condition. I remind Po's to down cars and call r service they refuse. I remind them to get a car wash. They dont. The majority of problems with vehicles are caused by the Po's by not following the general orders for vehicles. I get the car I use washed at least weekly and as soon as it has a problem I down it. If others did the same most of the vehicles would be in much better condition.
Yeah Sarge, 150k on a car and it's the blue shirts that are the problem. You must be a prize to work for
Hey you are exactly the guy I'm talking about. Reading comprehension is a skill which apparently you don't have. Since I used words like most and majority.
"Everybody bitching about the union putting vehicles in the contract. Seem's to me that a lot of people are complaining about the state of vehicles on the blog here. Make up your minds.
10/26/2014 03:59:00 PM"
It's called setting a precedent Dildo. Wait & see, eventually you'll be negotiating for lockers & toilets.
"Good thing buying us new vehicles is in the contract.
We all know that Rahm diligently follows contracts and laws.
10/26/2014 03:33:00 PM"
Angelo & his crackteam of lackey lap dog lawyers made all this possible. Send them a big box of Frango Mints for their efforts.
Officers in the 010 District did that exactly. They showed up to work and there were a shortage of vehicles so they were told to either wait or go out on foot. A couple of beats got tired of waiting and literally went out on foot for 8 hours.
Sgt. Haymaker was driving a " Frankenstein" car when it crashed on LSD and Montrose. I say Frankenstein because it was made out of numerous other cars of the same model.
Anonymous said...
11:40pm. So who changes your tire on your car when you get a flat? Change the tire ya frickin baby. "No ones there to change it for me! Waaaa!"
10/27/2014 09:18:00 AM
Fucking Triple A changes my flat tires. AAA
How about we start with officers taking care of the cars. I get a filthy, bacteria filled car with no gas, strewn with garbage and extremely crappy interior, every day. I bring my own seat covers because the seats are torn up. It takes me fifteen minutes to clean out the garbage and clean up the filthy interior so i can drive the damn thing to get gas bcuz its on empty. W.T.F. yes it falls on our supervisors but why does it take a write up for a simple consideration for a fellow officer. Why do we have to treat each other like this? We all hated the inspectors but yet we beg for for them with our actions.
Divvy bike stands at each district. No squad? Fasten up and hop on that Divvy!!!! Blue cross and blue shield needs more riders on those bikes for those heavy advertising fees.
Just axin
I'm not a cop - but I do have a question: Are you officers documenting all of this? Photos, document the time you've spent getting a substandard car up to par, etc. It's one thing to gripe on here but documenting it would give you more ammunition come negotiation time.
Officer whomever you are, I'm the old timer Sgt. who blogged that the garages are open 24 hrs. that is correct that they don't change your tire, so what , they give you the jack, power air wrench to change it, what are you some kind of delicate flower who doesn't get dirty, boy I bet you make sure you get your 2 personal and I'm quite sure that you run the gas tank empty and never wash a car, I put 40 yrs out there and I don't have to wear a diaper, but I'm real sure I could work your young ass into the ground at 64 yrs. old. now you can change your diaper, put gel in your hair and go meet all your pals and tell them how great of a copper you are. POS!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Officers in the 010 District did that exactly. They showed up to work and there were a shortage of vehicles so they were told to either wait or go out on foot. A couple of beats got tired of waiting and literally went out on foot for 8 hours.
10/27/2014 12:05:00 PM
Idiots. Now they'll get sent out on foot at the bosses' whims.
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